I understand your separating yourselves from the Org...BUT~

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  Anna Marina

  JoenB75

  You say:

  the basics of evolution although the Bible never adresses the issues of evolution, pro or contra

  Please note - there are 365 DAYS in a common year. In a leap year you get 366 DAYS. In a lunar year 354 DAYS.

  Whatever calendar you are on, those DAYS get grouped into months. We are most familiar with the 12 month calendar - so I'll say 12 months pass and that group of months is known as 1 year.

  Now whether you believe it or not, the Bible states that Adam lived for 930 years. Therefore there must have been a DAY when Adam was created from which you start to count the 1st year of his life.

  It is the same concept of a child being born. When it is born, it has not evolved. It has grown in the mother's womb for 9 months, then the point of birth is counted as it's birth day. Once the child has lived outside of the womb for 12 months it has lived for 1 year.

  The Bible does not describe Adam as being in the womb for 9 months but created in one day. Thereafter living 930 years, then dying.

  Now you don't have to believe that. That is your choice but the description of Adam's creation in the Bible firmly rules out evolution.
  
  
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  Revealed

  Bravo!
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  truth_b_known

  Now you don't have to believe that. That is your choice but the description of Adam's creation in the Bible firmly rules out evolution.

  Which is why even many Christians believe the Biblical creation account is allegory and not historically true.

  On a side note - Does Jesus' ransom sacrifice apply to Neanderthals or just Homo Sapiens? We have no records of Neanderthals sinning, so why are they not living forever in the present?
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  JoenB75

  Anna Marina,

  Genesis 1-11 are divine myths. Tales that reveals truth without being historical. Adam and Eve represents us all. So you got anything else to offer?
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  Anna Marina

  Why does Israel exist?
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  Anna Marina

  JoenB75 - if you think that Genesis is a myth please would you explain to me why it is set in time?

  Myths start 'once up a time' or 'a long, long time ago' - like the evolution myth does.
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  JoenB75

  Anna Marina,

  Does it not start with "in the beginning"?
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  truth_b_known

  JoenB75 - if you think that Genesis is a myth please would you explain to me why it is set in time?

  What date/year/century do the events in Genesis take place? The furthest date back given for the writing of the Book of Genesis is around 1,500 BCE, about 3,700 years ago. Recorded history goes back to about 2,600 BCE to Sumerian texts. That is about 1,100 years of no written mention of Adam and Eve. However, the Tree of Life and Global Flood stories in Genesis appear to be plagiarized from the Sumerian epic of Gilgamesh. It is also theorized that the first "Israelite", the forefather of the Jews, was the Abraham of Genesis. Abram is alleged to have been born in Sumer around the year 2,500 BCE.

  The possibility and probability that the Canaanite tribe that would become Israel adopted the Sumerian creation myth. Just as the Israelites changed to a monotheistic religion when they were conquered by the Persians (Zoroastrian religion) and the Israelite belief in the afterlife was altered when they were conquered by Greece. The whole purpose of the Pharisees was to keep Judaism pure and keep out religious influence by whomever the captors of the day were.

  Myths start 'once up a time' or 'a long, long time ago' - like the evolution myth does.
  

  Fossil evidence and anthropological evidence shows modern humans existing for about 150,000 years. Evolution is not a myth. It is a scientific theory with empirical evidence that supports it, such as fossil records that can be dated. In fact, no other scientific theory has come under attack for so long or so hard as evolution and yet scientists continue to line up to defend it.

  As a reminder, life does not originate from evolution. Abiogenesis is life from lifelessness, which was recreated in a lab (see Miller-Urey Experiment).
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  Earnest

  truth_b_known : Does Jesus' ransom sacrifice apply to Neanderthals or just Homo Sapiens?

  The 1985 book “Life – How did it get here? By evolution or by creation?” says in chapter 7 (“’Ape-Men’ – What were they?”), para.34

  Neanderthal man … was undoubtedly human. … Since [the first Neanderthal fossil was found], many Neanderthal fossils have been found, confirming that he was not much different from modern humans.

  If Adam was the first human then Neanderthals must be his descendants and inherit sin like us. However, that assumption does raise a number of questions as to the time of creation and the genetic differences between homo neanderthalensis and homo sapiens.
  
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  Anna Marina

  TBK

  Why are you talking about dates? The Bible does not deal with dates and that is the point. Adam became father to Seth - therefore Adam existed before Seth. Seth existed before Enosh - and so on and so forth. This is a chain of events, with each event exactly timestamped so to speak, resulting in Jesus Christ.

  You can put any date you want on Adam's creation but all else in the chain must reflect whatever date you put on Adam's creation. So the date is of secondary importance to the actual passage of time.

  You cannot put exact times on the supposed events in the Evolution Myth. And the very fact that an evolutionist would say, as you have said - "about 150,000 years" shows there is doubt and a lot of uncertainty. If you put another zero on that number, would it matter? Does it have to be exact?

  The Bible is exact regarding time.