by Revealed 83 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Anna Marina, I think you misread what I say, maybe in eagerness to tell me I am wrong when I am so obviously right. God created out of chaos and so of course the Bible story is that chaos is no more when God creates. But the sea is not a creation of Genesis 1.
I think a basic problem is that religious people want to make such an naive and rather childish account complicated. As Calvin rightly said, it is the account of the unlearned. Dont make it learned.
What god? Allah? Zeus?
Hi Punk
How do we know? It is a question of working the info through our minds and deciding for ourselves whether the proof stacks up.
Why do people stay with Watchtower when it is so obviously false? Many reasons.
On ex-witness I know saw a lot of what went on behind the scenes in the back room. This one wouldn't even treat a dog the way some bro and sis were being treated. The cruelty of the organization was obvious and that was why that person left.
Me I left because I could see that the Bible opposed the very basis of WT authority. I had been lied to in my Bible study.
But some people aren't really fussed about cruelty and integrity. Or they don't see the significance of it at the moment. Others don't persist in trying to understand the Bible. They feel it's duff and get on with their lives. Their choice.
My bottom line, ok you think I'm wrong. Tell you what, I'll be wrong with Jesus. He strikes me as being an extremely nice person.
JoenB75 - If I misread your comment I apologise. But I don't agree with you.
That said, you are interested in water so here's a bit of God's creation for you. I hope you like it.
Whale Gently Pushes Paddleboarder With Fin - YouTube
Re Calvin - I don't think he meant 2+2=5. He meant the Bible is simple to understand for honest hearted ones so don't try and lock up the meaning with unnecessary complexity.
(Matthew 11:25) . . .At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to babes. . .
(Isaiah 29:14) 14 therefore here I am, the One that will act wonderfully again with this people, in a wonderful manner and with something wonderful; and the wisdom of their wise men must perish, and the very understanding of their discreet men will conceal itself. . .
(1 Corinthians 1:27) . . .but God chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put the wise men to shame; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put the strong things to shame. . .
(Matthew 23:13) . . .Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in, neither do you permit those on their way in to go in. . .
Anna Marina or "Mary the Contrary",
Re Calvin why make something up when his commentary is avaible online, re Genesis 1:6; "Moses describes the special use of this expanse, to divide the waters from the waters from which word arises a great difficulty. For it appears opposed to common sense, and quite incredible, that there should be waters above the heaven. Hence some resort to allegory, and philosophize concerning angels; but quite beside the purpose. For, to my mind, this is a certain principle, that nothing is here treated of but the visible form of the world. He who would learn astronomy, (60) and other recondite arts, let him go elsewhere. Here the Spirit of God would teach all men without exception; and therefore what Gregory declares falsely and in vain respecting statues and pictures is truly applicable to the history of the creation, namely, that it is the book of the unlearned. (61) The things, therefore, which he relates, serve as the garniture of that theater which he places before our eyes. Whence I conclude, that the waters here meant are such as the rude and unlearned may perceive." End quote. To the ancient idiots, how could it rain if there was no water above, very simple?
https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/cal/genesis-1.html
Good short study on chaoskampf
"In verse 2, the description of the earth as IPDI ΙΠΓ) and the reference
to DÎnn recall the idea of creation as the transformation of primordial
chaos found in other Ancient Near Eastern creation myths, and
elsewhere in the Old Testament. This emphasises the possibility of the
return of chaos, God's ongoing power to bring order and renewal to the lives of his people, and the promise of his final eschatological victory
over all that opposes him."
A M - Killer whales no less -- great video and appreciate the share. I've been on a few catamarans to see the mammoth blue whales that are plentiful at Dana Point, Cal., but can't imagine floating along with killer whales underneath.
LV : these curious creatures were not Killer Whales, Orcas. but inspiring I wonder whether they got a view of the humans above. wow. better than reading the bible or listen to a "wt meeting". Thank you AM.
Anna - Me I left because I could see that the Bible opposed the very basis of WT authority. I had been lied to in my Bible study.
I left for exactly the same reason, so, I applaud you for this.
My bottom line, ok you think I'm wrong.
Tell you what, I'll be wrong with Jesus. He strikes me as being an extremely nice person.
Well, now you mention it..probably, but it's your life to live not mine. I'm not here to argue or try to change your mind. I just like consideration of things. I put my thoughts out there and see what comes back. Fair enough. I'm not convinced either one of us is right. After all, it was in a Church that the notion came to me that God wasn't there.
JoenB75 - I'll leave the conversation there.
Punk - yes we make our own choices and stand or fall by them.
LV101 and waton - glad you enjoyed the video.
