Then Leave.com

by SheilaM 74 Replies latest jw friends

  • little witch
    little witch

    SheilaM

    Just wanted to throw a little support your way, I know how hard it is for you and yours right now, you are all in my thoughts and prayers.

    "I hear people talking bad about the way we have

    to live here in this country.

    Harping on the wars we fight and griping about the way

    things ought to be.

    They love our milk and honey, but they preach about

    some other way of living.

    When they're running down our country, man

    they're walking on the fighting side of me''

    (Merle Haggard)

    Now, hows that for Redneck, you crumpet eaters?

  • SheilaM
    SheilaM

    Hardly "welcoming" is it?! Simon are you afraid that they will decide on England? I think your failing to "get it" but quite a few here do. First though it is FUNNY SImon you know

  • amac
    amac

    I don't think anyone on this board is dense enough to "not get" this website. On the flip side, you WOULD have to be very dense to think that despite it being tongue-in-cheek, these are not true thoughts of the websites originator and many of the viewers who think it is funny.

    Xena, Sheila, Jelly, etc - this website is NOT merely suggesting that people who don't like it here should leave. It is suggesting that anyone who does not agree with the people who have taken power should leave. Talk about sheep following a shepherd! This country is based on freedom and dissention from big government. If you are tired of hearing this dissention, then you should probably leave this country as it was founded by you're so called "whiners."

    Xena -

    I have a pretty good job....but it is far from perfect. If I cried and moaned about how bad it was day and night....and talked about how much I would LOVE to have another job somewhere else...would anyone be suprised if I was eventually escorted to the door and told to feel free to find another place to work??

    I'm sorry but that is a very FLAWED analogy. If you worked at a place that was founded on the idea that the company was FOR THE EMPLOYEES and that they should be free to express themselves about the company and it's policies without retribution, then YES! I would be surprised if they escorted you to the door. I would think that they are betraying the principles that the company was founded on.

    Thunder

    I mean, how long does one have to complain about a situation that is out of their control?

    I would say, until the people in control do something about it.

    The site owner was just, in a very sarcastic way, giving an oppurtunity, for those sick of hearing the liberals and their endless complaints, to contribute to the purchase of air fare to give these folks a taste of life where their complaints might not be allowed, where their "right" to complain, might even be considered a crime.

    This argument seems self-defeating. You are saying that we live in a country that promotes freedom of speech, but you shouldn't use that freedom too much? You should just be happy you have it, but not use it? And if you do use it, you should go somewhere that you can't use it, just so you can appreciate it? I don't need to go anywhere to appreciate it. I show my appreciation by using it whenever I see fit.

    I do not know why our country went to war with Iraq, I can only speculate. I DO know that it certainly was NOT a humanitarian effort to save the poor people of Iraq from an evil dictator. If I am wrong, then the Iraqis are some real lucky folks since all the rest of the oppressed people in the world and in recent world history didn't get much help.

    I do feel that this current administration tried to hoodwink the public into supporting this war which has caused many deaths. THAT, I DO NOT SUPPORT. And everyday they continue with their operation and more US Troops die, it becomes more infuriating to me.

  • Xena
    Xena

    LOL I never said it was a perfect analogy....is there such an animal? Bottom line...you say you hate it somewhere and you want to leave...don't be suprised if people are more than willing to let you go...

    despite it being tongue-in-cheek, these are not true thoughts of the websites originator

    gee and here I was thinking only God could read people's hearts and minds.

    It appears to me that people see on that site what they WANT to see.....but then that is just human nature I guess.

  • amac
    amac
    LOL I never said it was a perfect analogy....is there such an animal?

    OK, then let me put it this way. You're analogy was completely irrelevant due to the reasons already stated. Working at a company is nowhere similar to living in the U.S.

    you say you hate it somewhere and you want to leave...don't be suprised if people are more than willing to let you go...

    You seem to be missing the point. This "go ahead and leave" is being directed at people who DON'T want to leave, but are also not happy with the current government.

    Let me quote the website...

    "Do you live in America? Are you angry with the country's decision to wage war in Iraq? Do you support the U.N. position along with France that America should use inspections instead of force? Do you hate our current administration...especially Bush? Do you try to voice your opinion in chat rooms and on message boards to no avail? "

    This says nothing about people who hate it here and want to leave. It is directed at those who disagree with the government.

    You're right, I can't read hearts...but I don't have to when the site originator puts it as plainly as this:

    Ever since 9/11 and especially now with the war in Iraq, I have become so sick and tired of all the anti-American venom being spat by people on the Internet, America On-Line and other such services. One day after viewing a message board about the war, I stumbled onto someone's post that simply put me over the edge. Calling President Bush, Hitler...stating how he hated America etc. So I posted back an offer...100% sincere and as professionally and politely as possible, offering the person a free, one-way ticket to a destination of his choice. My only requirement was that he sign an agreement that he would truly leave.
    It seems from his website that he truly would like these dissenters to just leave. That's his simple answer. If you don't like the administration, then leave. Others on this thread have expressed similar views, except you keep graying the lines between people who hate it here and WANT to leave and people who disagree with the current administration but love this country. You say people who want to leave should leave, I agree. But that is not what this website is saying
  • SheilaM
    SheilaM

    Amac: If you can't take it as a joke I'm gonna take your soapbox away

  • BeelzeDub
    BeelzeDub

    LOL @ SheilaM ..... I know what hell fells like now.

    Hmm Maybe someone wills start a "LeaveitMO.com" cause right now it is 106 and no chance of rain if anyone knows of such a by out program for Mo let me know

    Where do I sign up? I have not cut my lawn in over a month and the A/C is running 24x7. I think I could handle Hawaii for a year. Maybe we are now paying for the best spring/summer that I can ever remember in MO.

  • SanFranciscoJim
    SanFranciscoJim

    talesin said:

    As an Atlantic Canadian, I wud like to sincerely apologize to you for the sordid treatment you rec'd at the hands of Canadian Immigration. DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT sell your home here. We loveour American cousins, and are equally angered by the policies put in place by BOTH of our countries re border crossings.

    The US actually had the nerve to place their own people in Customs here because they accused Canada of allowing many terrorists access to yr country via our unprotected border. Was I p'd off? You bet! GWB administration just won't take responsibility for anything. OTOH, it is wrong for our government to retaliate by persecuting innocent travellers like yourself (and may I say, HUGE contributors to our economy).

    I am heartbroken that we were turned away at the border. Our house lies empty, unoccupied. We are currently living in an apartment building surrounded by tenements and abandoned row homes. Our life has been pure hell since this happened. Neither of us have been able to go to work, I am suffering from high blood pressure and severe insomnia.

    We have no choice but to sell our home (which, by the way, is in a quiet cove in Nova Scotia), since they won't let my partner across the border without obtaining a "certificate of rehabilitation" for an offense committed in the 1980s! We contacted the Canadian consulate for instructions on how to obtain the certificate, and they sent back a packet with a laundry list of things he had to do that made jumping through hoops of fire and crawling across a bed of hot coals look easy by comparison. Furthermore, some of the items Canada requires he do are in direct violation of U.S. laws concerning double jeopardy and prior bad acts. In other words, he is not welcome!

    We do not blame the Canadian people for this. Many of our friends and neighbors there came to our rescue, and even put us in touch with 2 MPs. Unfortunately, all we got from the MPs was that they would try to expedite the processing of his application for the rehabilitation certificate.

    We had hoped to spend the summer in Nova Scotia, and were strongly considering immigrating to Canada. We drove cross-country from California to the Maine border, where an overzealous immigration officer told us that if my partner tried to enter Canada, he would be re-arrested for the same crime he committed 16 years ago as if it had happened yesterday!! I made him repeat this twice to me because I could not believe my ears. After we were turned away, I called the Canadian embassy in Washington DC on my cell phone to confirm that what he had told us was true. The woman I spoke to told me that it was indeed true, and was being instituted in retalliation for Bush's policies in the Middle East, the establishment of so-called "homeland security", and his going to war in Iraq.

    We had no place to go, and were not about to drive back to California, so we rented this apartment in Pennsylvania. I came here because I lived here when I was a JW 25 years ago. I feel like the proverbial dog who has returned to his own vomit.

    Thank you for your concern.

  • Xena
    Xena
    OK, then let me put it this way. You're analogy was completely irrelevant due to the reasons already stated. Working at a company is nowhere similar to living in the U.S.

    Made sense to me. Apparently it didn't to you. I can live with that.

    You seem to be missing the point. This "go ahead and leave" is being directed at people who DON'T want to leave, but are also not happy with the current government.

    Let me quote the website...
    "Do you live in America? Are you angry with the country's decision to wage war in Iraq? Do you support the U.N. position along with France that America should use inspections instead of force? Do you hate our current administration...especially Bush? Do you try to voice your opinion in chat rooms and on message boards to no avail? "

    This says nothing about people who hate it here and want to leave. It is directed at those who disagree with the government.

    Sooooo they are forcing these people to sign up to leave? The ones that have signed up to leave the country....you saw them right? The ones that hate it so much here they want to leave....you did see them, right? Seems to me that is the point.

    You're right, I can't read hearts...but I don't have to when the site originator puts it as plainly as this:
    Ever since 9/11 and especially now with the war in Iraq, I have become so sick and tired of all the anti-American venom being spat by people on the Internet, America On-Line and other such services. One day after viewing a message board about the war, I stumbled onto someone's post that simply put me over the edge. Calling President Bush, Hitler...stating how he hated America etc. So I posted back an offer...100% sincere and as professionally and politely as possible, offering the person a free, one-way ticket to a destination of his choice. My only requirement was that he sign an agreement that he would truly leave.
    It seems from his website that he truly would like these dissenters to just leave. That's his simple answer. If you don't like the administration, then leave. Others on this thread have expressed similar views, except you keep graying the lines between people who hate it here and WANT to leave and people who disagree with the current administration but love this country. You say people who want to leave should leave, I agree. But that is not what this website is saying

    You did see the people who signed up to leave.....riggggghhhtttt????

  • William Penwell
    William Penwell

    No the inference here is that if you believe the following;

    Disagree with the country's decision to wage war in Iraq.

    If you support the U.N. position along with France that America should use inspections instead of force.

    Hate our current administration...especially Bush.

    Try to voice your opinion in chat rooms and on message boards to no avail.

    Then get the move somewhere else. Seems to me it is written by a bunch of red neck republicans. The same ones that criticized and tried to impeach President Clinton. The same people that are trying to change an democratically elected governor. The same red necks that think there is nothing wrong with mixing religion and politics and are defying a high court decision. Need I go on? Why don't you ask those ones to leave? They may question things they believe are wrong but isn't this a democracy?.

    Will

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