That may be the creepiest part of the whole thing, and it indicates how disconnected he may be from reality. I think he wants to try to add to the impact of his statements by using examples that generate sympathy, but he doesn't seem to know how to put it in the right words. So you get tone-deaf statements about how his critics don't care about his kids, or how being pantsed on the internet is far worse than losing his mother to cancer. Even his supporters must be cringing to read some of this stuff... I guess they are, because their number keeps shrinking.
It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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Las Malvinas son Argentinas
Evans had been known (esp from posters here who were among the first to spot it) for being a toxic bully. I’ve come to believe he can’t help it and in any therapy sessions he may have gone to (my opinion - he never went) he put on an act full of lies, half-truths and attempts to control the session - thus a complete waste of effort.
What truly bothers me is the cult he created. Especially the same people who pride themselves as TTATT people. You know, the ones who demand evidence and proof? Tom was on the right track when he stated the lowest point of this entire movement was when Kim’s initial Reddit statement was deleted by mods there, all under the guise of “well this could be a fake Kim Silvio”.
This woman had to create a YouTube channel on the spot, put her own face on camera and confirm it was her. It was a “take a look at my face and compare it to the Kim on Lloyd’s videos” moment like she was Christ inviting Thomas to place his hand in his wounds.
What happened next was the worst moment of ex JW history imo. After confirming it was her, instead of examining the testimony of someone who was known as Lloyd’s right hand, she got shouted down as a LIAR. A torrent of abuse followed and then something truly amazing happened next.
Lloyd announces his livestream and he’s taking her allegations head-on. The tweets are still there, take a good look. A common response: “I’m not even going to watch the livestream but you have my support 100%!”
Excuse me? We have a high level Ray Franz level defection and the default was to support Lloyd unconditionally? Without even watching what he had to say in response?
What if he did admit to underage sex?
So Lloyd confirms everything Kim alleged and the only contention was what the definition of “regular” visits to prostitutes meant. Lloyd knew what he was doing. He was changing the narrative to “this is none of your business” and it worked for a time afterward. Reddit was particularly nasty toward anyone who questioned the sex trafficking angle of it and were basically told they were prudish idiots.
The first weekend after that this community was eating itself alive. And you know something? I didn’t give one shit. Let it burn. That’s how ashamed I was to even be associated with this community which had its head buried deep up its own ass.
Thanks to Evans’s continued idiocy, retorts, threats and taunts, the momentum has shifted and his star is rapidly fading. Simply amazing how even after that disastrous livestream he had to keep feeding fuel to it to make people wake up to his manipulative tricks. But I won’t ever forget how exactly this went down nor will I forgive.
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KIMSILVIO
But I won’t ever forget how exactly this went down nor will I forgive.
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Vintage
I’m so glad you’ve survived, Kim.
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KIMSILVIO
I’m so glad you’ve survived, Kim.
The community’s support has been what keeps me going 💗💗 thank you to all xx
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Listener
the lowest point of this entire movement was when Kim’s initial Reddit statement was deleted by mods there, all under the guise of “well this could be a fake Kim Silvio
It was annoying that ex JW Reddit directed posters to use the term "sex workers" rather than any other term. I find it disturbing that they did this.
The term “sex worker” recognizes that sex work is work. Prostitution, on the other hand, has connotations of criminality and immorality.
It had the effect of making light what Lloyd Evans had/has been engaged in.
In her statement Kim Silvio had used the term 'prostitute' so they were also undermining the facts that she was revealing.
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slimboyfat
There is a UK Facebook group that has promoted LE for years, including his proposed UK visit in December 2021 which he abandoned in favour of his sex holiday to Asia. Since the scandal broke it has swiftly deleted any threads commenting on the scandal on the grounds that they are a “support group” and not a place for controversy. The trouble is that they promoted LE for years, so no redress of the balance seems biased and unhelpful. In fact there are probably members of the group who have no idea what happened at all because they have been so swift at removing any discussion.
What has happened on Reddit? I tried to follow the threads on there initially, but I find the format not user friendly.
Listener, what terms would you suggest using instead? I don’t want to help LE’s narrative. But I don’t want to be insulting to potentially exploited people either.
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Thisismein1972
I was removed from that UK "support" group for my comments regarding Lloyd back in 2015 (I think.)
To be honest. It was the best thing that could have happened. My opinion with these groups is that one can be stuck in a victim loop and not grow as a person.
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TonusOH
Evans had been known (esp from posters here who were among the first to spot it) for being a toxic bully.
I think this is important, because it counters the narrative that he is being attacked because he is popular or influential. People have reason to dislike him, and it's his own actions and words in the past that are the cause. There are old topics here where people are pointing out exactly the flaws that have led to his current situation, both his actions that precipitated this scandal and his actions and words in trying to limit or control the damage.
Those older comments and statements are the most damning ones now. Some of them seem prescient, given how things have turned out, but Lloyd was always Lloyd. And being a tireless and ambitious person with a willingness to bully others into silence is disturbingly effective. Had Evans not set fire to his own reputation, he would still have a very solid and vocal (and financially rewarding) base of support. That, more than anything, speaks to how he built a cultish following.
I'm glad Kim found this forum, because people here laid the foundation for her to be able to do what she did without being completely swallowed up by Evans's followers. Kudos to everyone who was here through all of that and spoke up in the face of a very loud bully and his devoted supporters.
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silentlamb_silent_no_more
But, in truth, he genuinely does not seem to understand. It does seem to involve pathology, as Dr Sohom Das said: a combination of narcissism and psychopathy.
My daughter who is studying psychology has this to say on the subject - Sociopaths are made from their environment, Psychopaths are born that way.
So we really can't blame Watchtower for the way James Lloyd Evans behaves. It is in his make up. The Narcissistic Personality Disorder however, has been made by the environment. He has never been shown how to show true empathy. His mother died when he was young, so she was not around to teach this, may she RIP.
From what I understand, his father was/is a douche Elder and therefore, JLE has learned this behaviour and it's stuck that way now as he is over the age of 25 and his brain is no longer capable to change something as deep as this.
Once you got NPD at 25, you've got it for life. Same for abuse survivors sadly, like myself with a diagnosis of PTSD, which cannot be cured, only managed - thanks Dad and Charlie Holt! - It's in the media guys so it can be said here. Which is why I said in previous comments, he literally cannot help himself. He's mentally ill. But do we cut someone slack for being mentally ill and behaving inappropriately? NO! For example, time and time again I have seen hunting teams, hunt down a guy/woman who have been caught speaking inappropriately to children (thankfully not real children, decoys, but the sicko believes they are children)
So many times I have heard the excuse from a person caught - "I'm Autistic" and as a mother of 2 children on the spectrum, that literally sickens me each and every time, because Autistic children can be taught right from wrong just as much as a neuro-typical can and indeed, dare I say it, a large number of Autistic people do not like to be touched so that argument falls flat on its face.
If someone is incapable of taking responsibility for their actions, that someone is dangerous to the public.