I've seen survivors use terms like "prostituted (woman/man/girl/boy)" or "prostitution survivor/victim". Nordic Model Now has a lot of good resources and interviews with survivors of the industry.
It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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Newly Enlightened
One of our ex-jw friends in Croatia, (No, not Marko) has tried to get copies of the court documents, BUT he has been unable to unless you are one of the Plaintiff's, lawyers or LE.
Link to court case
https://e-predmet.pravosudje.hr/?sud=5044&upisnik=K&predmet=252&godina=2022&captcha_code=z6cnlb
So I contacted the court clerk on Monday and have heard nothing back. How is this fair to us 'Plaintiff's"????
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WingCommander
I'm in a total agreement with Las Argentinas above.
The ex-JW reddit forum was ablaze with this, and the mods over there are so far up Cedars ass that they'd do just about anything to cover his ass. It's pathetic how Kim had to basically prove it was her before being able to post, and then even after that she was shouted down and made out as a traitor, etc.
"Heads up asses" is a perfect summation of many over there. It's also extremely to the US "Left." Anyone even remotely to the Right is called a Boomer, Fudd, QAnon supporter, Trump supporter, etc. It's literally crazy how many times I've had bans for several days for nothing over there.
Not everyone on there is toxic of course, and it does help alot of people coming out. I'd say it's probably the largest ex-JW platform at this point, and growing.
The "Cult of Cedars" can eat a bag of dicks for all I care. The creature worship of that effete slob is really something.
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Listener
Slimboyfat - Listener, what terms would you suggest using instead? I don’t want to help LE’s narrative. But I don’t want to be insulting to potentially exploited people either
The term 'prostitute' in general terms is correct, unless they are not being paid in one form or another. If they have been exploited, then that clarification should be made in reference to that individual or group, if known.
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CalvinistEmily
It amazes me how that sort of neoliberalism is considered "left". That sub-Reddit needs to read some Marx, Lenin, Kollontai, Zetkin etc, or basically any communist. Not one of them ever supported prostitution, and they especially didn't support the men that abuse it. It's postmodern identity politics where they're more concerned about what language they use to describe an atrocity than the material conditions itself. Lloyd is a rich white anglo man who went to a poor country to sexually molest the native people through bribing them to endure it. How anyone can support that and call themselves "left", I do not know.
I've said before that it's more in line with fascism, trafficking minority ethnic women and children for prostitution was an official policy of Germany and Japan. These "leftists" should look at the company they keep and let us actual MLs get on with things.
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KIMSILVIO
I'm glad Kim found this forum, because people here laid the foundation for her to be able to do what she did without being completely swallowed up by Evans's followers. Kudos to everyone who was here through all of that and spoke up in the face of a very loud bully and his devoted supporters.
Never a truer word spoken!! The support, ability to speak without being sensored by Reddit mods who, in my opinion, are scared of Lloyd’s threats, and the knowledge shared has been amazing 💗
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Las Malvinas son Argentinas
The support, ability to speak without being sensored by Reddit mods who, in my opinion, are scared of Lloyd’s threats
That's a good point because they had a falling out about a year ago which precipitated the split into the JWWatch subreddit. They weren't afraid to defy him then and even started a thread about it. So what changed?
My guess is he knows the true names and identities of the mods there and privately threatened them with litigation if they didn't shut down the threads that were started about him. It's probably part of the compromise that they started with their own "megathreads" which had all these rules beforehand about what you could or couldn't post. He'd do it here too if he felt Simon was a chump and would take down or lock this thread if he threatened him enough.
This is why beating him at his litigation game is so crucial. When he does fail to get any convictions in Croatia this needs to be absolutely plastered all over social media so people know he relies on fear to control the narrative and always has. When he was on this forum he often implied a ban was forthcoming if someone he didn't like kept replying to him.
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Vintage
Newly Enlightened, was it by email or by phone that you contacted the court clerk in Croatia?
”So I contacted the court clerk on Monday and have heard nothing back. How is this fair to us 'Plaintiff's"????”
If you don’t mind answering, how were you able to identify your case to the court clerk? Also, if you don’t mind answering, how were you able to convince the court clerk that you are Plaintiffs?
(Please don’t give me any information that might worsen or jeopardize your case. I’m just trying to understand how things work in Croatian courts, and what else you might attempt.)
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KIMSILVIO
If you don’t mind answering, how were you able to identify your case to the court clerk? Also, if you don’t mind answering, how were you able to convince the court clerk that you are Plaintiffs?
I’m not sure the specifics of what Kim B did to contact the court. I can say that I had been in contact with the court via email and they gave me the case number. I shared the case number with Kim B. I’ve requested additional information via email too however have not had a response.
I tried to register to the online system so I could access information however thus far I have had no success - but i will, and I’m sure Kim B will, keep trying.
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Vintage
Thanks, Kim. You’re thinking like the professional that we know you are.💼