It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened 11530 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  slimboyfat

  I agree NoCoinCollector, but purely because it’s the only way that he will ever stop.

  Elizabeth Holmes was apparently still trying to do business deals even when she had been exposed as a complete fraud and was convicted. Such people just don’t know when to stop and will not stop until circumstances made it impossible for them to carry on. In Holmes’ case, as with Lloyd, she majorly focussed on the apparent ‘unfairness’, as she saw it, that other businesses were allowed ‘fake it until you make it’ whereas she was exposed for making false claims. She still maintains that, given more time, her company could have developed technology that fulfilled the claims she was making. She had no answer, and no apparent concern for those she harmed by giving false results from fake blood tests, and all the medical and health impacts of that fraud. All she could see was that she felt ‘unfairly’ treated. It’s the same with Lloyd. He will never understand how he has harmed people. He will never be convinced that other people matter as much as his own sense that he himself should be treated ‘fairly’. He will never stop unless circumstances make it impossible for him to continue.

  https://youtu.be/Hg4ws1QPeNE

  In that video the sections talking about ‘not giving up on the lie’ and accusing those who expose you of being ‘haters’ are highly relevant to LE.
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  Ron.W.

  I wonder if Lloyd is a man without a conscience. These sort of people are dangerous because they only see the end result of all their goals.

  Who they hurt, destroy or offend on the journey to their goal is meaningless to them.

  In Lloyd's ideal world his life would be going on just as it was before - cheating on his wife, spending patreon donations on prostitutes and pumping out critical videos on the lifestyles and conduct of the governing body.
  

  if it wasn't for those pesky kids exjw's with a conscience he would still be living his dream...

  Makes you realise why no apology to the exjw community is ever going to come from him..
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  Simon

  Who they hurt, destroy or offend on the journey to their goal is meaningless to them.

  Yeah, it's like thieves and scammers - normal people couldn't live with the guilt of taking something from someone, but if you feel nothing for others, no empathy or compassion ... you just don't care.

  You must know, if you're taking money off people, that some of those people may be digging deep and giving something that they could really use on other things but totally believe the tale you've spun.

  How can you do that? Take it, spend it on vacations and hookers, abandoning your kids, cheating on your wife, and then turn round and denounce people who question or are shocked by it? Not only that, but to tell the people who stop giving you money that they are stupid and have been conned?

  It's so unreal. He has to have no conscience. No empathy or sympathy for others. Real psychopath or sociopath stuff.
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  NonCoinCollector

  if it wasn't for those pesky kids exjw's with a conscience he would still be living his dream

  Nice Scooby Doo reference.
  I am ever thankful for Kim Silvio having the conscience needed to expose this man.
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  silentlamb_silent_no_more

  nicolaou said

  
  What the hell is "a false factual claim"?
  

  Exactly what I asked cora over on twitter.
  
  
  
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  KIMSILVIO

  I think lloyd is referring to a claim that was made as “fact” but is indeed false. I still haven’t seen any “false factual statements” so I can’t exactly understand what he meant. Daily units are the “average daily wage” in Croatia as I understand it.

  These facts all bring academic of course - but why let the truth get in the way of Lloyd’s good story. 🤷‍♀️
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  KIMSILVIO

  It's so unreal. He has to have no conscience. No empathy or sympathy for others. Real psychopath or sociopath stuff.

  Indeed it is unreal. The whole thing is so rediculous, I just don’t understand. One cannot re-write history in the way he is trying to, we are not simple people.

  
  
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  Vintage

  slimboyfat said,

  "He will never understand how he has harmed people. He will never be convinced that other people matter as much as his own sense that he himself should be treated ‘fairly’. He will never stop unless circumstances make it impossible for him to continue."

  After I read that, my mind went into overdrive thinking, ...so what would it take for Evans to get what he claims he needs? If Dijana divorces him, then will he marry the sex worker who best has fulfilled all his needs and be faithful to her?
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  Vintage

  Wikipedia, False Statements of Fact, under Remedies, says:
  

  "Punitive damages are sometimes available against an individual who made a public false statement of fact. Criminal liability, although uncommon, can be made although they are usually subject to the same limitations imposed on civil suits in terms of elements to be proven."

  This sounds very close to a "false factual claim". If a "false statement of fact" is synonymous with a "false factual claim", then both terms describe a false statement which wrongly purports to be a fact. To simply say a "false claim" could, in some contexts be referring, for example, to a false claim over a piece of property.

  In other words, what is under discussiion is a "factual" claim, as opposed to a claim on a piece of land, etc..
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  wannaexit

  t's so unreal. He has to have no conscience. No empathy or sympathy for others. Real psychopath or sociopath stuff.

  Simon, your assessment is so correct.

  We are not mental health specialist, but those of us that have observed him through the years have also observed that LE has zero empathy and constantly rationalized his actions and has no sense of morality.
  

  From some of my reading, people who exhibit sociopathic and psychopathic behaviours rarely change. How sad for his children.

  What is also very sad, that he still has a substantial following. He has created his own cult.