It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  • Diogenesister
    Diogenesister
    As much as it’s been said that Lloyd never changed his JW mindset, it’s abundantly clear that in many ways Dijana still has the mentality of a pioneer sister who wanted a husband and family.

    I agree. Few women would deal with this level of humiliation. It's also about money since she would have been raised very modestly.

    Reading Lloyds JW history I find it hard to believe he ever really 'believed' it. Masturbation is one thing - even that wracks most JWs with such guilt they won't accept 'privileges' but online sex, porn and even in person prostitution? - (I'm absolutely sure he engaged in this pre marriage). Few men who trully believe would have a conscience that allowed them to become an elder or MS and at the same time engage in that. It's always been about power for him.

    The argument was that they personally knew many people that were helped out of JW by LE's videos

    Again, total rubbish. If they were ready to watch apostate videos at that level, if Lloyds weren't there they would have seen any number of other videos by other apostates, saying the same stuff and researched by men many years ago. Who never took a red cent for their efforts.

    Not to mention people usually read before they watch pure apostate videos. JWfacts.com, this site, Rays work, Randy's & Barbara's sites and more recently Reddit posts, are more likely their first foray into the exjw world. Even articles/video documentaries by the mainstream media are likely to wake people up first, being apostate free.

  • Toblerone5
    Toblerone5
    if Lloyds weren't there they would have seen any number of other video..

    One :Australian Royal Commission ,Two: Geoffrey Jackson testimony .

  • TonusOH
    TonusOH
    Diamondfrog: That’s Dijana in the reflection of the YouTube plaque.

    It almost seems as if she's trapped inside of it.

  • Toblerone5
    Toblerone5
    knew many people that were helped out of JW by LE's videos... these folks would still be in the cult.

    Really? I wonder Dagney if you had said , and was one of those videos , the Everything you don't need to know about my private parts? Did those JW saw that one? You know what boubou, I will send you the link of that video, so you can send it to all those nice JW and be sure to INSIST for them to watch ALL OF IT .then ask them again ,,,Did that help you see that Watchtower is a cult?

  • KIMSILVIO
    KIMSILVIO
    They absolutely saw nothing wrong with LE and his sex life it was none of anybody's business

    I completely agree with the patron. Lloyds sex life is none of our business. His sex life is a significantly different issue from utilising the services of sex workers whilst at the same time claiming to advocate for CSA victims and vulnerable people. The community funding this behaviour warrants a public interest disclosure.

    I have said it a number of times, if it had been an affair, the community would not have known.

    Likewise, if lloyd had not been an advocate for an issue that creates a direct conflict of interest with his choices, the community would not have known.

    i fail to understand how this can be seen as an issue about “his sex life”. It is not.

  • Las Malvinas son Argentinas
    Las Malvinas son Argentinas
    I have said it a number of times, if it had been an affair, the community would not have known.

    His behaviour after the fact also highlights another ongoing issue with him: honesty. Wally’s (JW Thoughts) video is an essential must-watch in the Evans saga. For no good reason Lloyd straight up lied to him about deleting a comment. And then he gaslit him despite Wally being right about the deleted comment and offering proof.

    I can see no benefit in having such a disingenuous and dishonest person being first on the mic when something WT related comes to the local news.

    The circumstances surrounding his sex life were a symptom of an reoccurring problem of him essentially being dishonest, deceitful and then outright hostile to anyone who called it out. It’s amazing how badly he mismanaged this crisis. He’s been quiet lately but again the cheque is becoming due with regards to his expediting his litigation threats and it’s not something he can simply drop.

  • KIMSILVIO
    KIMSILVIO
    He’s been quiet lately but again the cheque is becoming due with regards to his expediting his litigation threats and it’s not something he can simply drop.

    Yes…on the 10th of June he told everyone faithfully that when he had made further submissions to the court he would share this document with the community. He made a submission on the 18th of July. Today is the 20th.

    I guess he is busy cleaning mould…..

  • Simon
    Simon
    I had a discussion with a very passionate patreon of LE last week. They absolutely saw nothing wrong with LE and his sex life it was none of anybody's business
    Interestingly, this person's exit was due to not being able to get a study WT while df'd, and was told to get their copy online

    I would bet money they were disfellowshipped for immorality, and they "like" Lloyd because he is immoral, and it makes them feel better about their own failures.

    People forget that the vast majority of people who leave (or are kicked out of) the WTS are not leaving because of apostasy or any realization that it isn't the truth. Sometimes that comes later, but it isn't guaranteed.

    Some like that their immoral behavior was "validated" in some way, and what better than picking a morally bankrupt "hero" ...

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    I would bet money they were disfellowshipped for immorality, and they "like" Lloyd because he is immoral, and it makes them feel better about their own failures.

    People forget that the vast majority of people who leave (or are kicked out of) the WTS are not leaving because of apostasy or any realization that it isn't the truth. Sometimes that comes later, but it isn't guaranteed.

    Some like that their immoral behavior was "validated" in some way, and what better than picking a morally bankrupt "hero" ...
    Well said, Simon! I thought perhaps I was the only person who knew this.
  • Vintage
    Vintage

    I woke up because I realized that WTS is morally bankrupt.

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