I’m trying to figure out who would want to hang out with him. I’m assuming that the $50 level is supposed to give those subscribers some kind of personal access to him. It becomes laughable. They arrive at their cherished meeting with him and a few other “elite” supporters, and then... what do they talk about? Ah... well, there’s the news from Norway. Yep. Heard that one. And, there’s the big shake up over JW’s not wanting to attend meeting “in person” at the Kingdom Halls. Yeah. Heard that one. Okay, well,... come here Jessica. Say “hello” to everyone. “Hello”. Well, nice to see you all. Have a nice day.
It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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pr0ner
@lloydevansparadoy
Yes and this appears so rushly bad planned and wrongly designed.
I used to have a saying at work, "When things are going well every choice feels like a win. When they're going bad every choice is wrong". Right now even if he didn't mean anything or it was something someone else came up with, it doesn't matter. That being said he should know he needs to avoid anything that remotely looks flirtatious or sexual... or just simply go away for a year or two.
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pr0ner
@VintageIt works when you're an actual celebrity. People are happy just to get next to your shine. He still thinks he can recover from this which maybe there is some tiny chance he can. His other problem is that he doesn't do anything special anymore. His specialty was his personal brand and since that's now damaged he has nothing. He certainly can't win the battle on short-form entertaining content which means he's just stuck with long interviews which pretty much anyone can do. He desperately needs a good collaborator but that isn't happening.
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Las Malvinas son Argentinas
His other problem is that he doesn't do anything special anymore
Absolutely. When he left this forum he was a very polarising figure somewhat like he is today. Kind of a whiny little bitch who made quality videos. His wife was a huge mystery and it was clear she didn’t want to go public as he did.
Then their first child was born and his family man myth was born. There was a virtual baby shower and they had a tonne of gifts, both baby supplies and money sent to them from all over the world. He quickly picked up on this and started bringing his wife and child along with him for no real reason other than it made people more interested in him and his work. He also was quick to use them as a shield when things like the COC copyright scandal came to light. “You have no idea how much this is upsetting my wife! I may have to quit activism if this abuse doesn’t stop!”
Like the true dumbfuck that he is, he set his biggest asset on fire, borne out of a puerile middle aged tantrum based on the fact that his only sexual experiences outside of his wife involved an exchange of money. The “Dijana In Her Own Words” and the handful of other videos she appeared in all had impressive stats. He shit all over that and was counting on his wife to do what she had always done and STFU.
Look at what remains. A man in his 40s with no job prospects outside his Patreon business model with an estranged wife he publicly humiliated and two girls who live without their father because of his actions. He’s become a pitiful figure and it’s now a charitable act on your part to publicly meet with him and allow him to post selfies.
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TonusOH
I think his biggest obstacle is himself. He can recover from this, but it would require for him to stop being so aggressive and even hostile towards anyone who offers advice or criticism, as well as learning to cope with people who oppose him. He would also need to be more cooperative with others and even be willing to help others without any direct or immediate gain to himself.
I don't think he can do that. His original approach, which involved using and abusing others and always looking to come out with a net gain, worked for so long that he would have to deal with an overwhelming cognitive dissonance if he took a long-term approach that required him to make short-term sacrifices and to elevate others instead of pushing them down. He may never reach a point where he realizes that his need to be important and recognized is hurting his efforts (and ironically, is working against his desire).
But, sure. Add a higher tier to your Patreon, that should fix things.
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Vintage
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pr0ner
@Las Malvinas son Argentinas
This was something I hit him on early which he denied (IRRC). Between his tweets and content, it was clear he was trying to play the fun Dad who dotes on his daughter and pulls his wife out of her shell. It still baffles me how his defenders could stand behind that he could be this great loving husband and Dad while also lying to his wife and paying for sex behind her back for months.
Also the prostitutes are just what we know about. I'm waiting for some poor former fan of his to come out of the woodwork in all this. I don't and never have bought at all that he was only seeing sex workers. My prediction is that within a year some new woman will probably #metoo him. Jillian is probably lucky she didn't engage much further with him cause he def. had a thirst for her. -
pr0ner
It's amazing isn't it? Literally he could salvaged everything if he just said, "Recently I let down not only my wife but my friends and followers. I'm sorry to anyone I hurt and request time and space to not only work on my relationship with my family but also myself". That simple. Then he could have just come back in 3 months and stated he was going to focus on content. It isn't like this is some novel concept all he had to do was look back over the last 30 years of scandals to see the winning formula. If he can't even do that then there isn't any hope for him. His following will stay small.
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slimboyfat
For crying out loud don’t give him ideas. Have you never heard - don’t interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake.
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DerekMoors
Even if he apologized at this point, too much damage has been done. People can see a full year of a married man simping on IG models who wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot used pooper scooper, stubbornly claiming he was in the one area of the world known for human trafficking for the food and scuba diving, the embarrassing lashing out at Kim and the rest, all of it. For a year he's been shitting on everyone else, so his behavior has not been just a knee-jerk immediate reaction to being outed.
Sure there are people stupid enough to believe any apology he might offer, but if you avoid taking responsibility once outed and then also double down and double down on your shit behavior for a full year, there's no way any apology is real. Anything he says now would be because he's suffering, not because he's made everyone else suffer.
I would also say, prove it. Prove you're sorry by apologizing to your wife and Kim and the "defendants" of your stupid lawsuit, to the producers of that documentary that they need to scrap because they can't use any footage with you in it, and to the xJW community as a whole. Apologize to the prostitutes whose lives you made miserable by taking advantage of their slavery. Apologize to your daughters for abandoning their mother to care for them full-time. Apologize to everyone you've blocked for simply disagreeing with you.
Then, show us how you've turned over a new leaf. You're on probation for a year; no arguing with critics, no attacking others, no criticizing news stories or protests just because you're not part of them. Oh, and no prostitutes.
No way in hell he could ever live up to that so I call BS on any apology or statement he might offer at this point.