It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  lloydevansparody

  "excuse me sir, before you hung up, do you have any recording of your secretive tribunal you are talkng about? That would be useful whether or not we have a story. I heard many exjws audio-recorded theirs"

  "no sir, sorry but I decided to be honest because I liked two elders, they are sort of priests"

  "but you just said they were oppressing you"

  "well yes, but but my honesty comes first"

  "right... ehm excuse me son I need to get this phone call. Pass your details to my secretary. We will be in touch. Good day"
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  Diogenesister

  Also, Dijana appears to have a huge extended family, with Lloyd commenting that she had "millions of cousins" and spoke of staying at her grandfather's and uncle's place.

  Well that answers one of my questions, then. There are cousin's.

  Lloyd claimed Dijana didn't have a "cousin named Marko". Probably an intentional obfuscation since "Marko" was a pseudonym and anyway claimed to be married to a cousin.

  
  
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  Las Malvinas son Argentinas

  I'm not that good with the technical side of this site; can someone advise how to post a .pdf file?

  I used https://ufile.io/. It is free, and you just drag the pdf over to the box it instructs you to. Then copy the link. It’s free but the catch is they only put it up for 30 days. That should be sufficient.

  If you still need help, reach out to me or LEP and we can provide emails you can send the pdf to, and we’ll upload it and send you back the link to post here.

  I am interested in seeing this information and also have your take on it. I hope JeffT will examine it since that seems to be the info he was seeking, and give his professional take.

  For the record, though he didn’t make six figures last year for obvious reasons, the years of 2019 - 2021 really interest me. Especially since he was taking 15K from an Australian couple and even more from various donors for his holiday and was getting funded for his earthquake relief damaged chimney. I think this information would be valuable, especially to people still inclined to support him. It’s rather sick to see someone in all probability being the wealthiest person in the room relying on donations from the same people to facilitate his travel expenses.

  Expenses were pretty high for someone who used grannny’s basement and his own home studio for most of the year. The rental on Ramacro will factor into some increased expenses, but it’s not like anyone demanded he rent a space specifically for his studio.

  Also: these financials are only what he reported. I doubt he reports PayPal donations, green handshakes or money collected for “expenses” at his meetups.
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  JeffT

  144thouand and one

  You have a PM.
  
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  Pasta_Hour

  Lloydparody asked a good question. "Who is so stupid to believe this charlatan?" It seemed like a good 95% of the people posting on exjw forums and comment sections did! This is why I still foment a hatred of Reddit. Anything contrary to the Lloyd narrative was disallowed. A bunch of hypocrites whining about being shunned by their families, mumbling something about how bad shunning and information control is, all while actively muzzling people, acting as the exjw thought police. And if it wasn't Reddit, it was facebook forums ran by goons that couldn't get enough brownnosing Lloyd. It was pathetic.

  I know Mark Odonnel was mentioned a little while ago here, and I'm sure "he does great work" and whatever- but let's be real. The Fannypack Man™ spent YEARS sitting front row for Lloy'd antics. He had to have been fully aware of how Lloyd treated people, the Crisis Of Conscience copyright fiasco, and other instances best summed up as Lloyd being a flat out dick. Note of this is even to mention the red flags in Lloyd's story. Time and again people chose to make excuses for Lloyd's behavior. LOL at O'donnel making the declarative statement last year that any notion of Lloyd being a nonce was untrue. Ehhhmm...exactly how would he know that was a factual statement? His videos were just that good I guess. It lead me to believe it's about money to many people. Can you help me get clicks and views? This person can add to my subscriber list, sell books, or lend me media credibility?

  I'm tempted to be bitter towards the exjw community for not noticing any of this sooner, but then I realize Lloyd even fooled the Cult Expert Steven Hassan.

  The problem to me seems that as long as there's money to be made in something, you'll always have a section of the population willing to make it in slimey ways. Anyways, rant over.

  Yes all indications are Marko is authentic. And if Marko is authentic then the emails are authentic. And if the emails are authentic then it seems likely the Watchtower involved itself in an international coverup instead of taking Lloyd to the authorities. Just how else would Marko know specific details that were verified true only years later? If the "Evanston/Rebecca" emails were originally screenshotted by Dijana, with the emails then sent from Dijana's email to her cousin asking "WTF", then it's little wonder she doesn't want to admit her role in a coverup. The idea the brothers were completely unaware of the emails and thus level of Lloyd's activities seems very unlikely. Somewhere, there is an electronic papertrail of all of this. The authorities shouldn't have a difficult time sorting it out either way. Happy to be wrong on all of this, but I don't think I am.
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  Listener

  The Vast Apostate Hour was on to this years ago and confronted Lloyd with the accusations. On one YouTube channel he was asked some questions, I also asked him. I don't recall the channel.

  His response was to bring his wife into it and he wrote that when he showed her the accusations, they both had a good laugh together because of how ridiculous they were. All while refusing to answer the questions
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  DerekMoors

  The Fannypack Man spent YEARS sitting front row for Lloy'd antics. He had to have been fully aware of how Lloyd treated people, the Crisis Of Conscience copyright fiasco, and other instances best summed up as Lloyd being a flat out dick.

  Lloyd even fooled the Cult Expert Steven Hassan.

  These people looked the other way because it worked for them. O'Redwood got what he felt was some prestige in the xJW community by riding Lloyd's coattails and using the Fatman's platform to wave a flag about his own activism work. Had he said or done anything to rock the boat, how would he have gotten any adulation on his own? He doesn't strike me as smart enough to run a YouTube channel or otherwise engage people. And we all know he's in it for the ego as well, didn't he take over that Tricia's protest or something? Ordering people around like he was the elder.

  As for Hassan, I'm gonna guess the same thing applies. If he can use Lloyd and anyone else to sell books, expand his platform and audience, then he'll ignore Lloyd being a dick. If memory serves me, he jumped on Fatass's bandwagon about the Russian ban but then had to take a few steps back when he got slammed on social media about it. He conveniently forgot that those people he was alienating by being too arbitrary were his potential customers.

  They're all hypocrites, all of them. They all love the so-called prestige of being the big shot experts and have never given two shits about who they surround themselves with if it means views, book sales, adulation, whatever.

  
  
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  lloydevansparody

  @Pasta_Hour

  The Fannypack Man™ spent YEARS sitting front row for Lloy'd antics. He had to have been fully aware of how Lloyd treated people, the Crisis Of Conscience copyright fiasco, and other instances best summed up as Lloyd being a flat out dick. Note of this is even to mention the red flags in Lloyd's story. Time and again people chose to make excuses for Lloyd's behavior. LOL at O'donnel making the declarative statement last year that any notion of Lloyd being a nonce was untrue. Ehhhmm...exactly how would he know that was a factual statement?
  

  He was a product of an algorithm. It seems that the louder you shout the more credible you become. Why should I believe someone who has only 1300 followers when the other one has 100000? Who is more credible? Who is more spiritual a pioneer or a 10 hour per mont publisher? There is the tendency to give more credibility to those who don't deserve it at all. The regular pioneer has mama and papa who provide everything. The publisher wakes up at 5am every day to work in a steel factory. We can tell thousands experiences like this. And yet many are fascinated by big shouters. I don't judge people who had fallen for Lloyd. I just don't understand how people could still believe this charlatan despite all the evidence. He still get the money when he begs for it. That is concerning.

  @DerekMoors

  As for Hassan, I'm gonna guess the same thing applies. If he can use Lloyd and anyone else to sell books, expand his platform and audience, then he'll ignore Lloyd being a dick.
  

  Exactly this. I think we should also separate those who honestly didn't have a clue and fell for him and those who took advantage by standing next to him.
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  Las Malvinas son Argentinas

  He still get the money when he begs for it. That is concerning.

  And he’ll always have that core of 50 - 100 hardcore cedarites who will always be up to sending him money. His short term and long term issues are the remaining 300 - 350 current patrons who thought he needed the money, was providing a vital pro bono service, wanted the Patreon perks or were simply pressured into it by his constant pleading.

  His begging charade in January came at a price and we’re seeing the bill come due in a few short days. He made two key mistakes imo. One - he insisted he could do something else if he wanted to. There’s more than a few who are calling him on that bluff. If he’s in that dire of straits then go get this job he said he could get and check in a couple times a month with a video like everyone else does. Two - he set two red lines as far as Patreon support goes. 500 was a bit of a stretch right now and even then he said he’d only “break even”. Hardly an inspiring thing to say to his donors, many of whom were already higher tier. Then he sets a ridiculous goal of 620 that no one has any illusions he’s going to meet. He’s effectively outted himself as having an opulent lifestyle when he was at 889 patrons. He never needed that many.

  He has inadvertently set off a chain of events that is going to require cash infusions every two or three months. He’s already at the point where he needs to make another plea as he has blown through the $1000 given to him and he’s only 4 patrons over what he had in January. His support has been cannibalised and every subsequent begging event he’s going to get fewer and fewer people taking the bait.
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  raymond frantz

  @ Las Malvinas son Argentinas

  When he published his book he send in the post few copies to few in Wilmslow but no one received copies of the book in Bramhall. Who has the time to read 800 pages of a masturbating idiot? I said before and I'll say it again, Bramhall not Wilmslow holds the keys to this drama