David Splane's apostate warning convention talk

by neat blue dog 28 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • neat blue dog
    neat blue dog

    I know this recent video has been talked about already but I just watched it and here are a few things that got me annoyed as usual:

    Splane says that if a Bible Student says he saw some negative information from apostates and asks us to explain it, we shouldn't look at it or address anything specifically, but instead we should tell them to go to meetings and hear what we have to say about ourselves and also tell them to befriend people at the Hall. For any person with integrity and/or intelligence, this is NOT a satisfactory answer. But for the JWs this is good I guess, because it weeds out the troublesome thinkers, and if they actually agree with it they'd probably make a good JW.

    After that he says that anyone who believes all information from a source is "naive", but naturally he doesn't make that application to information coming from JW sources.

    Then he brings up the hypothetical situation of an organization that has lawsuits against them and settles out of court. (It's obvious he's talking about the Watch Tower society's numerous settled child abuse cases.) He then says that settling out of court doesn't necessarily mean you're guilty, and then asserts that if it went to trial they wouldn't get a fair trial anyway.

    Finally he completely twists a scripture to say the opposite. The scripture in question says, "Does not the ear test out words as the tongue tastes food?" - This obviously means that you can tell whether an argument is good or bad by listening to it, and it stands or falls on it's own merit. However he then says it means something else. He says we don't have to taste poison to know that it's bad. His 'logic' is that apostates have nothing to say but poison > therefore, what they say doesn't have to be tested and can be rejected outright without listening and testing first.

  • FFGhost
    FFGhost

    The question I always have about this sort of talk....

    What if the "negative information" comes from a non-apostate source?

    They create this near-hysterical revulsion toward "apostates", then conflate the idea of "apostasy" with "presenting any information that reveals the organization saying or doing something that is wrong or harmful" regardless of source.

    So, the argument becomes "negative information is, by definition, apostate information. If you hear negative information about us, it is always false and it always comes from apostates."

    That is wrong. The really evil part is that they know it is wrong, yet they say it anyway.

    Every time I am inclined to give them "the benefit of the doubt" on the question of "are they evil or just deluded", they come out with a talk or article like this which answers the question in full.

  • asp59
    asp59

    This people (evil slave class) seem too have lost all interest in what Bible teaches.

    Psalm 32:9
    Do not be like the horse or the mule, which have no understanding but must be controlled by bit and bridle or they will not come to you.
  • Listener
    Listener
    He says we don't have to taste poison to know that it's bad. His 'logic' is that apostates have nothing to say but poison > therefore, what they say doesn't have to be tested and can be rejected outright without listening and testing first.

    Why is it that most of us have some sort of poison sitting on our shelves in the first place? It all serves a useful purpose, if used properly. It's not there to be consumed but when used for its intended purpose. it can prove to be very beneficial. Without it, we could end up with serious consequences.

    With the Covid virus, you can find bottles of disinfectant's everywhere. It kills most harmful bacteria and it's considered extremely useful. But it's a poison, it's not meant to be taken.

    If Splane really wants to describe apostates as poison then it could also be viewed as being beneficial to JWs in helping cleanse the falsehoods that they are trying to spread.

  • Biahi
    Biahi

    FFGhost, great comment! I completely agree! 👍🏻😁

  • truth_b_known
    truth_b_known

    Splane says that if a Bible Student says he saw some negative information from apostates and asks us to explain it, we shouldn't look at it or address anything specifically, but instead we should tell them to go to meetings and hear what we have to say about ourselves and also tell them to befriend people at the Hall.

    My dear old dad has a saying: "Everyone inmate in the county jail is innocent. Just go ask them."

    I grew up as a Witness in the late 70s, the 80s, and early 90's. I didn't get out until about 2010 when I was in my mid-30s. During that whole time I do not recall so much times, energy, and resources being used by the Watchtower to address apostates.

    Let me try this in Watchtower JW Broadcasting voice:

    "Imagine your co-worker made the allegation that your employer was lying to you. Your co-worker claims to have evidence to support this allegation. Conversely, your employer states that your co-worker is the liar and not to listen to anything he has to say, but rather only listen to what he has to say. As Jehovah stands for truth and Satan is the father of the lie, do we not owe it to our God Jehovah to examine the facts of these allegations and take a stand for truth? Wouldn't our failure to examine these allegations further only be seen as supporting Satan and his system of things?"

    What Splane fails to mention is, if we do go to Jehovah's Witnesses with questions, if we do go to the Kingdom Hall and ask, we would just be shown the door. The mere asking of a question involving an allegation of wrongdoing by the Watchtower always results in a figurative wall being erected between you and the Watchtower. All loyalists immediately stick their index fingers into their ears and gleefully pray that Jehovah sends fire from heaven to consume you.

  • nowwhat?
    nowwhat?

    In every court case they dragged it out as long as possible for years, trying to use every possible legal loophole. Then when they run out of options that's when they settle out of court!. Do how is this following Jesus council to settle matters quickly? Lying hypocrites!

  • mickbobcat
    mickbobcat

    The cult is on the ropes and we all need to join in and attack when ever we can. I just talked to a Philippine woman at my local bank who is married to a man who's mother is a JW and trying to convert her. She is a Catholic. I gave here a quick over look at the cult and told her it is a cult and its very dangerous. She was so thankful. I always tell people if they are interested to go to places like JW Facts or youtube and look up the history of the cult. Anything I can do to help a person know that the cult is a cult and its a scam.

  • Biahi
    Biahi

    Mickbobcat, great unwitnessed! I do that too, whenever the opportunity presents itself.

  • Fadeaway1962
    Fadeaway1962

    What is projection? ... Ed, LCSW, projection refers to unconsciously taking unwanted emotions or traits you don't like about yourself and attributing them to someone else. A common example is a cheating spouse who suspects their partner is being unfaithful.

    The gb are projecting ,they now know that what they have been teaching and preaching is a lie ,they know that they can't just say "the Bible says " and it's believed and true , and they simply cannot defend their teachings any longer, so the only option to them is to try and discredit anyone who can prove them to be lying as apostates and anyone else who questions them judges, lawyers and jurys are untrustworthy as well.

    Hopefully this will be shared in the upcoming court cases against the gb with all those involved.

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