SCIENCE – EVOLUTION – WEIRDOS

by frenchbabyface 38 Replies latest jw friends

  • logansrun
    logansrun

    herk,

    It seems to me that if feet and hands started to develop in an ancient animal because it felt a need for them, we should see such development of other "add-ons" going on right now. No matter how much we may want them, none of us can focus our concentration so much as to start developing wings, or the long-distance vision of an eagle, or the ability to see at night like an owl, or to make our way through the dark using sonar like a bat, etc.
    No scientist believes that evolution is caused by thinking about "adding on" new features. None. Blind genetic mutation accompanied by a selecting agency -- nature red in tooth and claw -- account for evolutionary adaptation, and this over millions upon millions of years. Not to mention symbiosis at the cellular level and sexual selection. It seems you know not a thing about evolutionary biology.

    Additionally, everywhere people, plants and animals are constantly dying. They grow through a stage of advancement from youth to maturity, but then their lives ebb and decline. If evolution were true, it seems to me, there would not be this receding into extinction. If life was originally sparked into existence eons ago, it would have died before very long, just as living things do now. No living things live long enough to advance into something better. Instead of advancing to a newer and better stage of development, they devolve into something inferior to what they were when they began until they finally die.
    What the hell are you taking about? "If life was originally sparked into existence eons ago, it would have died before very long, just as living things do now." Ever hear of reproduction? No individual organism on it's own evolves. It's populations over time that evolve.

    Old cars may still run, but eventually they deteriorate into a heap of rust and useless metal. They don't of themselves sprout new tires, a new engine, a new paint job, etc. Old trees don't develop thinking ability. When they sprout their final crop of seeds, they don't pass on intelligence to any trees that sprout from those seeds. I have a neighbour whose dog sounds like he can talk. He's been trained to sing, and it does sound almost like a human. But when the dog dies, her ability to sing will die with her. Any puppies she has will not know how to sing without being trained, and their ability, in turn, will die with them. The same is true of us humans. We have kids, but those kids have to start from the very beginning just as we did. They don't immediately know instinctively all that we learned as we walked through life. And they don't inherit any skills that we developed. No matter how much we yearned to sprout wings so that we might fly, they won't be born with that same yearning. Whatever they become, they have to start from scratch as we did and grow for themselves.
    Here's a little puzzle for you high-school biology enthusiasts: How many straw-man arguments does "herk" use in this paragraph?

    I honestly don't think I'm being stubborn about this. I've read several books that promote the idea of evolution, with the thought that maybe I'm missing something that might enlighten me. At this stage, I see evolution as simply another religion invented by humans. It's just another dogma that fills a need for some.

    Total bullshit. You don't know what you are talking about. What are some of the "several books that promote the idea of evolution" that you have read? No, really -- I want to know. Name the titles and authors and what you didn't understand in their argument. After that, take a look at Richard Dawkins' "
    The Blind Watchmaker" and Ernst Meyer's "What Evolution Is." Or just go to www.talkorigns.org and you will see not only the arguments for evolution simply explained, but also the arguments against the oxymoronic "Creation science."

  • logansrun
    logansrun
    BIBLE or SCIENTISTS DO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT ?

    I think a better question is, do you know what you are talking about?

    Bradley

    Okay, I know that was a cheap-shot but I just couldn't resist.

  • heathen
    heathen

    ............. and maybe while contemplating God you might mutate into the allmighty . I am definately on the side of the sceptics when it comes to evolution . I would say the odds of there being a God are at least as good as the odds of all the accidents that occured during the big bang and after that allegedly procuced intelligent life on earth. I have noticed that scientists are so desperate to show the world some evidence of evolution that they look at the diversity of a species and claim it's evolution . I am still waiting for pigs to sprout wings as well.

  • drwtsn32
    drwtsn32

    Herk,

    I sincerely would accept evolution if I could see evidence of it, but I don't.

    If you expect to be able to "see" evolution unfold before your eyes, you will be disappointed. Evolution takes eons.

    It seems to me that if feet and hands started to develop in an ancient animal because it felt a need for them, we should see such development of other "add-ons" going on right now.

    Our ancestors did not develop hands and feet because they wanted them. On the contray, evolutionary progression does not have any specific target in mind. It is simply a matter of natural selection weeding out undesirable mutations. Over time, this will result in an increase of complexity.

    No living things live long enough to advance into something better.

    Advancements are not made during the life of an organism. No matter what an organism does to itself, the simple changes made are not heritable. eg., humans are not evolving into fatter and lazier beings. Such behavioral traits are not passed on to children. Evolution uses genetic mutations as its raw working material. A mutation doesn't take a while to develop. The life span isn't a factor for an organism to acquire a mutation. (However, the life span is important if this organism is to grow old enough in order to procreate and pass on said mutation.)

    But when the dog dies, her ability to sing will die with her.

    Singing and any other learned behavior is not heritable. However, it is possible that an inclination to do well in certain areas is heritable.

    At this stage, I see evolution as simply another religion invented by humans.

    No, it is far from a religion. Religions are ideas that require faith and cannot, no matter how much someone might want to, be proven by scientific methodology. Evolution is a theory based on facts. It is simply the best explanation we have to fit all of the available evidences. It is flexible and will adjust based on new facts. Religion is almost without fail inflexible and resists change. The only time religion changes is usually when it is faced with insurmountable evidence and is forced to change.

    If we humans were specially created by god, we would have no vestigal organs, we would also not share "broken genes" with our cousins (like the chimp), etc.

    Special creation does not explain those things, but evolution answers those questions and even predicts that they would occur.

  • herk
    herk
    Herk explain to me why God gave us the ability to pass on imperfection having it evolve into something progressively worse as time passes but decided not to let us pass on good traits that we accumulate over a lifetime.

    I hope I haven't given the impression that I think I have all the answers. All I'm saying is somewhat the same thing that frenchbabyface said:

    WE STILL DON'T KNOW about ANYTHING.

    I'm a Christian, and I believe in God. But I have a problem believing that he used evolution when I just don't see evidence of it.

    Total bullshit.

    I expected that kind of reaction to what I wrote. And all it proves to me is that evolutionists can be just as narrow-minded and fanatic about what they believe as any religious nut I ever met.

    I expect the sparks to fly here. But I think it's pretty silly. Don't believe me, if that's your choice, but I have read plenty about evolution by evolutionists themselves. I'm sorry, but none of them have convinced me, though I feel most of them are honest in their search for answers and though I feel they have no intention to deceive anybody.

  • logansrun
    logansrun

    Herk,

    You picked my one off color phrase -- "total bullshit" and use it to categorize not only my entire post but all evolutionists. You ignored every single point in my reply including the very easy answer to what books by evolutionists you have read. If you are going to argue I will expect better than that.

    Bradley

  • Eric
    Eric
    Don't believe me, if that's your choice, but I have read plenty about evolution

    Herk,

    People don't believe this because you demonstrate a complete ignorance about even the basics on the subject. No insult intended.

    It would be good if you'd form a proper response to logansrun. What books? Really.

    Eric

  • herk
    herk

    Logansrun, Eric and others,

    I didn't come here to argue. I wrote how I feel honestly and sincerely about the subject. One thing is for sure: You won't ever convince me by jumping all over me just because you don't agree. I didn't come to spout off how brilliant I might think I am, nor did I attempt to make some profound statement as if I have all the answers on the subjects of creation and evolution. I simply stated how I see things from the vantage point I have now. Unless I misunderstood frenchbabyface, I think he or she is right: None of us have all the answers, regardless of which side we're on in the debate.

  • drwtsn32
    drwtsn32
    You won't ever convince me by jumping all over me just because you don't agree.

    How did I jump all over you? And I take your message as meaning you won't bother responding to my statements?

  • rem
    rem
    Don't believe me, if that's your choice, but I have read plenty about evolution by evolutionists themselves.

    Not by the looks of it. Do they still teach Lamarkism in High School? LOL

    rem

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