New Zealand - JWs head to court on Abuse in Care Inquiry - RNZ news story

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  • EasyPrompt
    EasyPrompt

    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/jehovah-s-witnesses-elders-have-authority-over-children-court-told/ar-AA1hXuRQ

    Jehovah's Witnesses Elders 'have authority over children', court told

    Story by Bill Hickman •

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    Lawyers representing the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care have argued that Elders of the Jehovah's Witnesses Church exercised a level of control over the congregation that allowed them access to children.

    A hearing brought by the church to exempt itself from the inquiry is entering its second day in Wellington High Court today.


    The church has argued it was beyond the inquiry's scope on grounds that it did not operate institutions of care and the inquiry had uncovered no evidence of abuse in that context.

    Counsel for the attorney general said the hearing was an attempt to have the church's involvement "frozen in time" ahead of the inquiry's findings.

    They said releasing the church would contradict the inquiry's undertaking to map the "nature and extent" of abuse in care in


    Counsel for the Inquiry argued today that statements made to the Royal Commission contained evidence of abuse perpetrated by the status and authority conferred to Elders of the church.

    During yesterday's proceedings, Judge Rebecca Ellis was critical of the overly complicated outlaying of the church's case. Today she quipped she had already worn out her highlighter pen during the church's submissions.

    She said the 17 points put forward by the church on the first day of submissions could have been distilled into four essential points.

    On the second day of proceedings, counsel addressed those points grouped into four core arguments.

    They were the interpretation of the terms of 'care' in the inquiry, an asserted lack of evidence concerning abuse within that context, bias in the inquiry's focus and a challenge to the legality of an amendment made to include 'other faith-based institutions' within the scope of the inquiry.


    Lawyers for the attorney general pointed out the church had received only two notices to produce documents from the inquiry, one of which had been withdrawn.

    This meant the church had been subject to the least number of requests to provide information that any other faith-based institution cooperating with the inquiry.

    The Jehovah's Witnesses were the only faith-based institution in the country to legally challenge their involvement in the inquiry.

    Counsel for the attorney general said if the court upheld the church's arguments concerning a lack of evidence future inquiries would be left open to challenges being brought against their work as they proceeded.

    Former Jehovah's Witness and website SaySorry.org co-founder Lara Kaput had travelled from Australia to attend the hearings.

    She said the lengths the church was going to counter the inquiry's efforts made her ask what they had to hide.


    "If you didn't have any child abuse, why wouldn't you want the world to know, and be a part of the Royal Commission?"

    She said in her experience of the church any argument that families were enabled to counter the will of Elders was false.

    "All of the Elders have authority over the children. You can never stand up to the leaders and expect to be allowed to remain in 'good standing' as they say.

    "They will shun you and exclude you from the congregation which includes your family. So it's extremely dangerous for anyone to stand up against them for their own mental health."

  • EasyPrompt
    EasyPrompt
    "New Zealands TV3 newshub this evening had this on their news, so it has now had mainstream media coverage."


    Video clip of news story here...


    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/10/jehovah-s-witnesses-fighting-in-court-for-church-to-be-exempt-in-abuse-in-care-inquiry.html



  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    Anybody who suggests elders don’t have any authority is either naive or full of shit.

  • Beth Sarim
    Beth Sarim

    Incredibly naieve.

  • Beth Sarim
    Beth Sarim

    GG4GB uploaded a great video outlining this.

    About elders.

  • ScenicViewer
    ScenicViewer

    "GG4GB uploaded a great video outlining this."

    Can you give us a Link?

  • Beth Sarim
    Beth Sarim

    My bad. GG's vid relates more to the earth-shattering '''no more hours'' requirement for JW's.

    But here it is:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkUVyQgq-PE

    BTW, nice reference to the ''Shining"", this time of year. Love it!!

  • EasyPrompt
    EasyPrompt

    The JW PID liars are passing out this media statement in New Zealand right now...






    PID: "JWs do not/never have assumed responsibility for the care of children, young people or vulnerable adults."


    https://twitter.com/Ron_POMO/status/1711755991967306060


    Elder book: "Shepherd flock of God IN YOUR CARE." Chapter 2 under "Group Overseer" says elder is regularly working with each individual in different aspects of the work, especially the weak.




    https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/sites/default/files/WAT.0003.001.0001.pdf


    These PID guys make me sick.🤢🤮Nasty liars.

  • EasyPrompt
    EasyPrompt

    The PID media release said: "Jehovah's Witnesses...do not provide or sponsor...any extracurricular activities, such as choirs..."


    https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/MakingMusic/pub-jwb_201708_6_VIDEO


    https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/Reports/pub-jwbrd_201505_7_VIDEO

  • EasyPrompt
    EasyPrompt

    PID publication says "Jehovah's Witnesses do not provide or sponsor any activities that separate children from their parents...or any other activity where they assume responsibility for the care of children. Nor do they provide or sponsor any extracurricular activities...and similar activities for youths or adolescents. Therefore, Jehovah's Witnesses do not and never have assumed responsibility for the care of children, young people, or vulnerable adults..."

    From the JWBorg 148th Gilead Graduation "The Inside Story"...

    https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/VODPgmEvtGilead/pub-jwb_202006_3_VIDEO

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