Ummm I hate to tell you this, but there are already pre-existing laws against child molestation, as such we don't need any extra laws making it illegal to talk about it, you want to know why? Because, would you rather a group like this go underground, or be in the open, where law enforcement can keep an eye on them? Come on people think for once your lives! If you restrict they're right to free speach, which IS different then actually commiting the act itself, what's next? And do you really want these groups out of the publics eye, so they can hide what they're doing?
Another reason I hate the ACLU
by freedom96 46 Replies latest jw friends
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Yerusalyim
You don't find it signifigant that the founder of the ACLU and the guy who controled it and shaped it into the late 50's was a commie? That he wanted to abolish the state...makes a lot of the positions of the ACLU make sense now.
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logansrun
Yeru --
I'm not a communist because it simply doesn't work. I don't think it is the worst thing in the world, though. You have to admit, Karl Marx formulated some very good ideas. Communism, on the surface of it, is a very appealing form of government. Too bad it simply doesn't work.
You often throw around that word -- "commie" -- as if it were somehow evil and disgusting. Why? Do you think it is wrong (like I do) or somehow bad? There is a big difference.
Bradley
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Trauma_Hound
Bad yes, evil no, why do I say that, because when places like Russia were communist, they weren't really, they were more of a dictatorship than communist. It's possible to have a democracy and be communist, it's called socialism.
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logansrun
Trauma,
I agree. Karl Marx would probably have been appalled at some of the tyrannical ways of the Soviets. Essentially, communism need not be anything more than a way to govern a nation's economy.
Bradley
PS -- I'm for a free and open, unfettered market, btw. Why? Because it works, simple as that.
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Yerusalyim
We are for SOCIALISM, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the state itself... We seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the SOLE CONTROL of those who produce wealth. COMMUNISM is the goal." (Source: Trial and Error, by Geo. Grant)
So, are ya'll also for SOLE CONTROL of those who produce wealth? social ownership of all property...etc etc?
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logansrun
We are for SOCIALISM, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the state itself... We seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the SOLE CONTROL of those who produce wealth. COMMUNISM is the goal." (Source: Trial and Error, by Geo. Grant)
The question is, does this statement accurately reflect the views of the ACLU today?
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Trauma_Hound
So, are ya'll also for SOLE CONTROL of those who produce wealth? social ownership of all property...etc etc?
Yeru, is your world, really that black and white? I may not agree with everything the ACLU says, but they have done more good than harm. Just like I don't think all republicans are right wing whacko's, just because a few are.
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Redneck
TH,
OK , Do u even know what you are for?..You talk about how ya were for silentlambs and against child molestation and now Ya sit here and more or less say they have rights too..and that its ok to defend those same folks ya were condemning...Ya actually think its going to be out in the open?..Alotta things are black and white..thats one of them Its wrong no matter if its hiding or not and to show support by fighting for a molesters rights shows that someones head or more the ACLU isnt in for the people..
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Trauma_Hound
So where would you draw the line then? Where do we stop, before no one can talk? So your saying you'd like these guys hidden, so no one is monitoring them? Yep that will make it safer for children. Let's sweep them under the carpet, so they can molest children in secret, that's going to help. Use logic man, if they're allowed to spew they're hatred, they're not having secret meetings, where no one knows what's going on. It's much easier to monitor a group that's in the open, then one that isn't. Don't believe me, talk to law enforcement sometime.