How Do JWs Understand Salvation & What Is Needed to Obtain It?

by LauraLynn 33 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    L. P writes according to Jehovah’s Witnesses...

    " If you've been exceptionally naughty like spoken against the Holy Spirit than, there's no Paradise Earth for you. Rapists, serial killers, murderous dictators, child molesters, terrorists, kidnappers, Nazis that took part in Holocaust etc may all possibly get a resurrection" along with the relatively righteous other sheep.

  • FedUpJW
    FedUpJW
    How Do JWs Understand Salvation & What Is Needed to Obtain It?

    Most important, does he want to become one of Jehovah’s Witnesses?


    *** w89 1/15 p. 15 par. 1 How Baptism Can Save Us ***
    Jehovah has specific requirements for those seeking salvation. They must acquire accurate knowledge, exercise faith, repent of their sins, be converted, make a dedication to God, and undergo baptism as believers. They must also understand that dedication and baptism identify them as Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    Baptism serves to identify him as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It also puts the one baptized in line for eternal salvation, provided he remains faithful to Jehovah.—Matthew 24:13.

    A few Watchtower quotes inform how JWs believe one obtains salvation. You must become a JW. That includes obeying the governing body mandates about your dress, grooming, dietary habits, medical choices, employment choices, education choices, marriage choices etc. without question even if they are 180 degrees different than they were last year, and even if they seem impractical.

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    Now the GB has confirmed that there is no room for repentance after the GT starts? What is going on?

    See thevfurst minute of this video.

    https://youtu.be/b8y-7mgOaNY?si=s241vs9tC3uAWrks

  • HereIam60
    HereIam60
    Someone correct me if I’m wrong but I thought that talk by Cook about the Great Tribulation being the cut-off and the “hailstone judgement message” was done just a few weeks before the Annual Meeting where the idea of salvation during the Tribulation was announced…?
  • Duran
    Duran
    quote - It is no longer clear to me if the GB holds hope for repentance during the GT after seeing the first minute of this video
    Now the GB has confirmed that there is no room for repentance after the GT starts? What is going on?

    Easy there!

    First off, the guy doing the video is annoying and hard to watch/listen to.

    Anyway, do you know the date of when Cook says what he says in 00:18 - 3:03?

  • Beth Sarim
    Beth Sarim

    Vanderhoven

    They dont know what they teach themselves.

    Not long ago,,,, maybe 8 - 10 years ago there were talks about whatever you were doing at that time you were locked-in and you were doomed.

    Now,, we have this last minute repentance thing??

    They dont know !!

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze
    Not long ago,,,, maybe 8 - 10 years ago there were talks about whatever you were doing at that time you were locked-in and you were doomed.
    Now,, we have this last minute repentance thing??

    It is becoming increasingly obvious that we were once led by the equilivent of the three stooges.

    The History Of The Largest Three Stooges Museum

  • Beth Sarim
    Beth Sarim

    Yes. Those talks. I remember them vividly.

    About those great tribulation starting & you're locked-in & your fate is sealed when the GT starting.

    A lull & hush would sweep over the circuit assembly. All you could hear was a child goooing & gahhing & the ventilation system.

    That wasn't even a decade ago.

    Now those "intense talks"" are just.......

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    Mark writes:

    In more recent years it seems they have dumbed down the message to avoid offending people.

    “We just don't know” seems to be their current stance, but that contradicts over a century of previous teaching.

    Throughout their history they taught that everyone, even professing Christians, are on Satan's side. Only those associating with the JW organization and obeying the Governing Body are true Christians, and have any chance of surviving the great tribulation.

    "Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil." Watchtower 1989 Sep 1 p.19

    “At this stage of the affairs of man, it is absolutely impossible for anyone, professed Christian or otherwise, to stand independently of the one organisation that is bearing witness worldwide to Jehovah, his goodness and supremacy in accord with the 145th Psalm and, in fact, in accord with all the Scriptures." Yearbook 1982 p.259

    “During the great tribulation, it will be just as imperative that we follow the leadings of the holy spirit and obey Jehovah's instructions through his organization." w91 9/15 p.17

  • TonusOH
    TonusOH

    "We just don't know" does not mesh well with "Jehovah guides his people through us."

    "We just don't know" does not mesh well with "you must obey us without question."

    "We just don't know" does not mesh well with "disagree with us and you are an apostate."

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