LDS statistics, by extension, may suggest that the JWs could be bigger with a more engaged membership.

by joe134cd 16 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  joe134cd

  I was just watching this on you tube, about the growth of the LDS church. I think these numbers may support a number of theories that have been discussed on here.

  (1) The JWs are bigger as a religious organisation.

  (2) JW membership is more engaged, as well as, more ethnically diverse.

  (3) Wt is been honest with its counting. It’s counting methods may under estimate, rather than over estimate total.

  (3) From about the mid 90’s is when the LDS started to go into decline, and has been ever since. Umm, why dose that sound familiar.

  (4) Although the LDS growth has slowed. In that, it has failed to keep pace with world growth. The church is still treading water. It is sustainable, and it won’t die.

  (5) Contrary to what many may think here. This may support just how well the JW preaching work has been. For example, the difference between adult representation of the church, as opposed to teenagers. How, more people out on the street dose not necessarily equate to more converts. Its quality of the people representing the church, rather than quantity of representation.

  Enjoy peeps.

  https://youtu.be/x39yZCY3WGU
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  Finkelstein

  bullshit

  In 2012, the National Council of Churches ranked the church as the fourth-largest Christian denomination in the United States,[8] with over 6.5 million members there as of January 2018.[9]
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  TD

  Ex Mormons and Ex JW's both look at each other's religions a little wistfully sometimes and neither seem to understand the differences that make comparisons difficult.

  The grass is always greener I suppose.....
  
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  Finkelstein

  The fact is most religions have been going through a decline in the last 40, 50 years or going through a state of slow growth in active participants.
  
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  joe134cd

  bullshit

  In 2012, the National Council of Churches ranked the church as the fourth-largest Christian denominationin the United States,[8] with over 6.5 million members there as of January

  I don’t deny that statement. But what we are talking about is the activity rates of that 6.5 million. How many believe it enough, that at the very least turn up to church once a week. Ive always maintained there isn’t a lot of differences in numbers between the two faiths.

  For example, well go with the 33% activity rates. (6.5x 33%=) 2.14million LDS members in the USA. Let’s say the JWs at that time were 1million publishers. Of that 1 million there were a further 50% that were non members e.g children of members and interested people. Total of 1.5 attendees at jw meetings. I would suggest that 50% is been conservative ,and that it could be closer to 100% increase to that of publishers. What ever percentage figures you want to use, both totals are certainly with in, a ball park, range of each other.
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  Finkelstein

  So you think JWS are attending more meeting services than Mormons therefore the JWS are equal in numbers to listed Mormons .

  I got a news flash for you Joe .. many JWS do not attend all the meetings every month.

  Sounds like you need to get a life or at least get way from religion all together for the sake of your sanity.
  
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  joe134cd

  I got a news flash for you Joe .. many JWS do not attend all the Meetings every month.
  

  I don’t deny that either. This is quite controversial and goes against the thinking of many exmos and JWs. What I’m trying to establish is when you factor things in such as

  (1) The definition of a member and requirements there of.

  (2) The counting methods used

  (3) membership retention as opposed to involvement.

  (4) The LDS had a 50 year head start on the JWs. So, understandably they should be bigger. However, I would be brave enough to suggest that they have the same rates of activity.

  A very different picture begins to emerge. This idea of how badly the JWs have done despite their vast hours of preaching when compared to other religious competitors, may have to be reassessed. It could be suggested that they may of done comparatively well. I’ve suspected for a long time that the TBM and PIMI are similar in both camps. I really think you need to watch that You Tube video Finkelstein.
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  Finkelstein

  It could be suggested that they may of done comparatively well.

  For the amount of literature and field work JWs do to lure in new members, you must be joking.

  Lies and corruption have done well for the WTS particularly 1914, 1975 but there was a eventful drop off after 1975.
  

  Can you name a religion that has a documented slow growth rate but proselytizes as much as the JWS do ?

  Wake up and smell the coffee Joe
  
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  joe134cd

  Can you name a religion that has a documented slow growth rate but proselytizes as much as the JWS do ?
  

  Put it this way Fienkelstein. If the above report is correct. The JWs would have twice the active membership of the LDS, and it took 50 less years to do it. That’s impressive by anyone’s standards. I would haste to say, a result of their proselytising methods.
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  Finkelstein

  You think anyone is going to listen for hour about the Mormon growth rate in the last 20 years ?

  I think why the JWS growth is slower in most cases is that many practicing JWS drop out of the organization meaning a poor retention rate.

  Snore ..... next