New H20 was just announced

by Kismet 27 Replies latest jw friends

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  Farkel

  : As one of the most active and consistent moderators of H2O over the years, I take issue with this generalizing and defamation. You are not speaking the truth.

  HEY, COMF! You deleted some of my stuff! And it was the truth! Maybe not the truth delivered in a "delicate" way, but it was still the truth!

  Well, ok, so I WAS a jerk about it. Ok. I screwed up.

  There were many other posts that were deleted for personal reasons, though. And it got worse towards the end. In fact, a lack of moderating towards some of the er, "more zealous" moderators was a big part of the problem, I think.

  It's water over the bridge when all is said and done. Tomorrow is a brand new day.

  Farkel
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  COMF

  Farkey, when I signed up to moderate over there, I agreed to moderate by the FPP as it was. You know all the discussion that ensued over what the FPP meant, how vague it was in places, and so on. And even if the FPP had been retooled and made more specific, it still would have come down to a matter of interpretation. Name-calling, for instance: does "dummy" fall in the same category as "asshole?"

  I recall times when a moderator deleted a post or a thread, and for some reason the outcry about it was unusually heavy. In cases like that, at first I let the complainers post, giving my explanation in answer along with other moderators giving theirs. But when the explanation wasn't accepted and the matter wasn't dropped, after a while it just comes down to, "This is how it is. Accept it and move on." When people wouldn't accept it and move on, then it was time to start deleting the complaints themselves.

  After we had been through this scenario two or three times, I knew who all the offenders were and I knew that they understood quite clearly how it was; they were just kicking up a fuss to be kicking up a fuss. So at that point, when they made noise about moderator deletions, I started deleting complaints like that without giving a notice. They knew why it was deleted. They knew that it would be, and why, before they even hit the "Submit" button. There was no necessity for a notice. Shelby is the classic example of this, and I deleted quite a lot of her rantings with no notice. It was the right thing to do.

  I figured, if I volunteered to support a posting policy that was already in place before I came along, then that policy was what I was supposed to support, not simply my own idea of what should and shouldn't stay. Lots of times I deleted stuff I wished I could leave up, simply because it violated the FPP. But there again, the deal was: I didn't write the FPP. I just volunteered to support it. And my thinking was, if I didn't want to support it, then I shouldn't moderate. If people didn't want to abide by it, then they shouldn't post there. It seemed, and still seems, clear and straightforward to me.

  COMF
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  Mommie Dark

  Jan G said:

  "If we really want to get the message out then we need to be ablt to do it on all the boards and not just one ..... "

  My question is, whose message? Yours? and why do you feel a compulsion to 'get the message out' no matter who you annoy?

  Discussion boards are not forums for us to cram some message down others' throats. We are not saviors or evangelists, we're survivors. We come here to talk and share, not to be preached at, not even with countercult preachments. You have a message, get a website and advertise it! Don't use someone else's bandwidth to preach your messages.

  Evangelism of all sorts cheeses me off. Yours included, Jan. If I want a therapist, I'll go shopping for one. If I want psychological literature, I'll buy it or find it on my own. If you have material you think is valuable, post a url and point us at it. Any more is just plain pushy.

  PLEASE!!! think about this Jan. If you participated as a human instead of seeking to establish yourself as some 'famous' authority, some of us would find it incredibly refreshing. I believe you're well-intentioned but damn! Can you get a clue?
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  Jang

  Mommie Dark .... you and yours are not the only ones on these forums .... you don't have to read those messages if you don't want to and if you do, then why complain about it?

  There are a lot of new people on these forums who read this stuff and it is often the first time they have even seen it. The fact that you don't need it doesn't negate that others may.

  Why should you and yours rule the roost and decide what others can read because you don't like me posting those articles ? Since when are you all the censors of what should be posted.

  Go read the posts from those who did appreciate the articles and who did need the info ... ...

  If you don't want to read the articles then don't .... if you do then don't compain ....[8>]

  JanG
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  Mommie Dark

  It would be nice if you would reply to what is actually said. I never said you shouldn't offer the information. I just think you should post the url as a link and let folks decide for themselves if they choose to read the whole thing.

  You sure are rude to anyone who suggests you might try a smidgen of common courtesy. You tend to act like your message is vital to everyone and you are damn pushy about putting it in folks' faces and aggressively defensive of your right to fill other folks' bandwidth with your windiest essays. Why do you suppose you receive these criticisms and the other 'famous' ex-JWs do not? Easy: they run their own sites, post their material there almost entirely, and they keep their participation in others' venues short and to the point. It's a beautiful thing. You should try it sometime.
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  Amazing

  I checked out the new H20. It looks good and I am sure that it will do okay. I did post a few times on the coolboard they currently have, but somehow, something was not right.

  One thing I miss is the ability to post to a specific thread, instead of posting at the bottom of 20 ahead of me, I can make a direct comment to someone in the middle.

  I have kind of gotten used the JWD and the culture here is good, having many former H20 participants. I have posted at times on NL2, J20, and E20. I wish in some ways we could combined the whole group into one big Apostate Organization. Yikes! Did I really say the word "Organization"? - Amazing
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  NewLight2

  MommieDark,

  If you don't like what JanG posts, then don't click on her topics. When she posts one of "long essays" she ALWAYS starts a NEW TOPIC. So if bandwidth is an issue for you, just ignore topics started by JanG in the future!

  NewLight2
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  Francois2

  COMF:

  I am speaking the truth as I personally experienced it. And I'm speaking from my experieince not yours. Your statement that I'm not speaking the truth is a gratutitous, egregious, arrogance.

  Francoise
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  COMF

  I am speaking the truth as I personally experienced it.

  You're telling me that you experienced the moderators "taking perverse pleasure" in their deletions? You experienced the fact that the posts "contained too much truth for them to tolerate?" That's quite the vicarious experience, isn't it, feeling the emotions and knowing the motivations of another.

  Your statement that I'm not speaking the truth is a gratutitous, egregious, arrogance.

  Assuming you meant to say "gratuitous," then at least you're correct about this. My statement was indeed free of charge. I find it wryly amusing, though, that you, who present yourself as knowing the motivations and thinking of H2O's moderators, would call it egregious and arrogant when I point out that you do not.

  COMF
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  Jang

  Mommie Dark if I have a URL I post it .... these articles, for the most part don't have URLs that I am aware of or that I have been bale to find ... Hence I post the whole article

  Last week I posted one section of the articles on one URL and left it up to others to read the rest of the site ....

  So does that answer your question ....

  Like the others I don't have the web space to post all these articles on my site .... so I post them .....

  Some I post regularly like the It Hurts .... others I post as I see the need arise on the board ..... If you check back to some of postings just before I posted the last lot, they were issues that had arisen for some people .....rather than have them get lost in the forrest of other posts, I post them as a new topic so others who may have the same issues can also benefit.

  As I said, if you don't want to read them then don't ....

  JanG