Jesus, Mary and Da'Vinci

by Sentinel 35 Replies latest jw friends

  • Double Edge
    Double Edge
    I don't know how Mary got to be known as the prostitute .... think it was Pope Gregory in the 5th Century who proclaimed that. Mary was the one that Jesus cast the 7 demons out of her. The Catholic Church did correct their stance on this, I believe in this century, but not sure.

    SimpleSally .....You are correct....... these facts were brought on the program. Too bad that it was shown after Monday Night Football... I think only the West Coast got to see it. E-Man .... thanks for the interesting link.

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    Yes - did not see programme but have seen similar -- and the story has been in books for ages especially books about the Holy Grail and even about Freemasons and Knights Templars -- rumoured that The Merovingian Dynasty in France was descended from that blood-line

  • OICU8it2
    OICU8it2

    Read the book The Divinci Code. Very interesting read. There has been some discusion whether CT Russell was a Free-Mason. Certainly his ideas of pyramids meshes and his grave marker contain Masonic or Knights Templar elements. Dan Brown's previous book, "Angels and Demons" was similar but involved the Illuminati. Another interesting read is "Orbis" by Scott Mackay. All three books deal with absolute mind control by religions and reminded me of the WTBS.

  • Sentinel
    Sentinel

    Eman, thanks for that excellent site. So much information is out there. Mary is right there in da'Vinci's picture! He's making a statement, that for the times, was quite a thing. The Catholic church tried to discredit Mary altogether, making her out to be a prostitute, or a demon possessed person. What gives them that right?

    It wasn't that long ago, that all this type of information was considered totally apostate, not only by religions, but by the JW's. We were taught not even to read such literature. What were they so afraid we would find? I too am leaning towards the belief that Jesus was an enlightend "man" but not divine. Does that mean I am heathen? I don't think so. Does it mean that I am not a Christian by the standards of the "world"? Probably. But, I never did fit in with that crowd anyway. Jesus had it right, but a whole "religion" was created around him that is so "wrong". Invalid, incorrect, and deceitful.

    Perhaps the Monks are a secret organization in themselves, those who are caretakers of divine writings of the history of mankind and the lives of those people who really were enlightened through the ages.

    Religion has made a mockery of real truth. A certain handful of very powerful people know and they don't want anyone else to have that knowledge. What do they fear, I wonder? If one takes the "religious dogma" out of everything, then perhaps what is left can be viewed as more accurate, more believable.

    I am really interested in this subject and am off to read more about it this very minute.

  • JT
    JT
    That's why they didn't write much about her, and her writings were not even included with the bible package. She was after all, just a mere woman

    based on your above statement should i conclude that you believe the bible is MERELY the writings of men?

    the reason I ask is if it is the writing of men then i agree with you 100% that the good ole boys just cut her short, but if one believes it is the divine word of god, then god didn't think to much of women so as to include more than a few "honorable mentions"

    sorta like the night of the Grammys where they give out the best costume designer award, rarely do they televise such awards, they are merely getting honorable mentions

    just wanted to know what i should conclude based on your statement

    thanks

  • JT
    JT
    That's really the essence, isn't it? All of religion is about trying to parse a myth.

    I AGREE 100% the myths legends and ghost tales that surround "Religion" has always been used either to Bamboozle and Hoodwink folks or Scare the He!! out of them in an attempt to get them to conform to usually the wishes of some OLD HORNY MEN

  • Sentinel
    Sentinel

    Like most people who are born into a family of standard belief systems--a heritage, I was brought up to believe in God, Jesus, and the various bible stories. I always believed that the Bible was absolutely God's Word. That carried on into my early twenties, after I had been baptized a JW since age 14. Then, I began to "grow up" and figure out some things on my own. Even though I was told that my questions and ideas were "apostate", I could not help myself. The guilt from trying to be what everyone else said I should be was a tough journey.

    Although I realized that the JW belief system had misled me, I still very much believed that the Bible was still God's Word. I wondered about many things in there, but never really took personal responsibility for a further in depth personal study until my early 50's. The JW influence did a real number on me, and I put my one and only bible on the shelf where it gathered lots of dust. Religion was just something that I put on the back burner because it hurt too much. After the JW experience, I frankly didn't know what was true, real, believable and "divine".

    Of course, after finally doing the personal research and studying various other religions and belief systems, translations of the bible, references, etc., I came to the conclusion that the Bible is just a mix-mash of writings that certain men in high positions decided they would put together and say it was the Word of God. It's just a history book, and has many gaps and leaves many unanswered questions. Sometimes it reads like a badly written history book, a bunch of fairy tales, poetry, and some prophetic dreams. It really downplays women altogether, and has actually left out other books and manuscripts that eluded to subjects and information they did not want the mass of people to know about.

    I feel so free now. Free of religious dogma and corruption, but more spiritually alive than ever in my life. I know that Jesus was a real person in history. I tend to think he was a very advanced soul when born among men. He was enlightened. Mary was enlightened as well, which is why they made a good pair. It's so obvious now, with all the available information coming to light, that we have been duped. Our major foundations for Christianity are pillaged. People who had faith in a "book" are now beginning to question their entire life foundation. Critical for so many who have left the responsibility to their Church leaders, and who now realize there are major, major flaws.

    However, faith to me, is not a book and not a person. It is a spiritual journey of the soul, which we take part in. When the soul has completed it's eons of birth and death within the various human shell, it will have lived many lives and experienced all the lessons; it will be time to receive the reward of going home at last. Our lifespan of under 100 years is such a small portion of this journey, but our part will always be remembered by the unit soul. This answers so many of my prior questions, and draws all of mankind together, where religion has separated. I feel very comfortable knowing that all is as it should be. It's just a shame that man has taken part in his own distortion of truth, and this has affected and delayed the search for enlightenment for so many, who have for the most part, believed that going to a church or meeting place is all there is.

    This is where I'm coming from, JT. There is so much more. But we each have to find our own way.

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex

    FYI for those in Dallas

    The program Jesus Mary and the Da Vinci Code was pre-empted locally and we were not able to watch it. It is going to be rebroadcast Sunday morning at 8:30 a.m. I'm rolling tape so I can stay in bed.

    http://www.wfaa.com/manager/stories/wfaa031106_gp_manager11.2431b3e7.html

  • Simon
    Simon

    It was interesting ... I've seen similar variations before and there are a lot of books on the subject often to do with the Knights Templar being keepers, not of the holy grail but of the royal bloodline of christ (something like inscriptions being "San Greal" vs "Sang Real")

    I do think there is a lot of acceptance of the bible simply because of religious dogmatism and it being the official party line ... it's interesting to explore other ideas which often sound more realistic and plausible than the bible account does.

  • Sentinel
    Sentinel

    Big Tex, I'm glad those in your area will get the re-broadcast. I would love to see the entire program, I am going to check the TV Guide here and see if perhaps it's being shown again. Sunday morning would be a good place to put it I think.

    Simon, what makes all of this so interesting is that we can feel free to explore all avenues of information, instead of being held captive by the dogmatic views of the borg. It is not a happy place to be, where one cannot pursue their journey for knowledge past certain books and written material of a select group. There are so few religions that hold their people captive in that way...and in fact, punnish them for such pursuits. Most are happy to encourage such discussions. If the truth is the truth, then why would anyone fear reading or listening to anything different

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