how brilliant & diplomatic you are! i gained some"knowlege" in how to deal with my jw hubby! carry on with your spirit driven heart to continue "shedding true light" to your jw friend! i'll pray for you guys!
Cappucino and Coverups: my JW neighbor came over today...
by bebu 26 Replies latest jw experiences
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wednesday
u never know who will be the one to to help u. For me, JT, garybuss,LL, and now u, bebu!! after reading one of your posts, i realized that my hubby and i did not at all understand that the jws teach that jesus is not our mediator. I heard them say it, but was afraid to question them. The only thng that had held me onto jws for so long was the rejection of the trinity and hellfire.,afterlife. i do not find these doctrines acceptable as far as i can see from the bible, esp hellfire. but u are making very good sense and if u have something to say about these doctrines, i would be willing to listen. The jws would have loved to have u bebu, u are very good at reasoning from the scriptures.
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czarofmischief
More than a mere apostate, I hereby nominate you to the Czar's Court - you are now Minister of Information.
Congrats...
CZAR
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zen nudist
I have to get roasting some coffee now... Will keep you posted. Please add suggestions--I always appreciate them. Your suggestions from the other thread have been very helpful!
you are on the right track, this is all about breaking an hypnotic spell.... there is only one way to do that, make the hypnotized lose trust in the hypnotist... all hypnosis is really voluntary abandonment of ones own thinking to the SUGGESTIONS of another one trusts....break the trust and break the spell.
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integ
You may ultimately get to the brick wall when she say's; "Who else is using God's name?, and who else is preaching the good news of the kingdom?, all the rest does'nt matter". I hope your neighbor does'nt go there with you. Not that you can't easily refute those statements, but that's the wall I usually hit.
Integ.
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bebu
(Thinking, Well, I'd better not fall flat on my face now, or I'm toast.)
Thanks, folks.
Integ, I have learned about this wall from posts here (perhaps they were yours!). It is a very important point, and glad you brought that up. In a later thread on this board (Different, but perhaps better) after our next meeting, she asked me an interesting question. The whole of her comment was like this: "You know, where I'm from there are Catholics and x demonation and y denomination. That's it. And they never do any of 'the preaching work'. I'm not familiar with other protestant denominations. Do they do any preaching work at all?" I told her, of course! You just aren't aware of it! I told her some interesting details. She listened, looking off into space... I guess she was thinking about this "We're the only ones that do the preaching work" statement. (Of course, the WT is right: they ARE the only ones who've preached the WT gospel.)
Wednesday, you're so kind. I didn't really think too much of the significance of the "mediator" thing, believe it or not, in comparison with so many other things. I wasn't planning on bringing it up. But it IS an important point. Jews AND Gentiles were both able to take part in this new covenant, with one mediator, Jesus, who is the high priest. Everything Jesus did as a mediator relates to reconciliation between God and man (and women!). If he isn't our mediator, there is none at all--for no other name under heaven has been given to mediate b/w God and man for sins. I can't think of anyone else as even a close second.
...Trinitarian or unitarian? This is an important thing to try to understand--but, truly, more important to believe is the fact that God is very, very good. God is firstly more pleased with a person's love of goodness (and God, its source) rather than "theological exactness". You should move on from there to consider/reconsider your other questions, of course; but if you never learn/understand/experience that God IS GOOD, nothing else in theology will make much difference. Children, not pharisees, were better qualified for heaven. (It's hard to explain well here; I think it sounds too brusk, and I'm sorry!! Maybe in another thread I can explain better...)
bebu
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Faraon
Simplesally,
Matthew 28 The Great Commission 16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[1] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age".
These verses, as most gospel endings, are recognized as spurious by thinking people.
Why, if these verses are true, are they the only ones to mention baptism in the name of the Holy Spirit? They are not found anywhere else in the bible. Sometimes apostles would baptice people in their names, in the name of Jesus, etc., but never father, son, and spirit all together. Why is it that they are commanded to make disciples of all nations, They did no effort to make disciples from the nations until Cornelius, and were even scandalized and not believing that ?pagans? had to be accepted into the new religion?