Scholar and Fisherman (page 16)

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Jeffro

Once again ‘scholar’ falls back to the time-honoured ‘nuh-uh’ defence. Compelling stuff.

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Very compelling as the said scholar depends on reason and not on fancy interpretations based on silly pretty coloured charts.

scholar JW

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Very compelling as the said scholar depends on reason and not on fancy interpretations based on silly pretty coloured charts.

Poor ‘scholar’. I know you like the pretty colours but you have to actually read the words too.

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Far better to stick to the biblical account

Okay. The biblical account of the Neobabylonian period indicates that all the nations would serve Babylon for 70 years (Jeremiah 25:11) until Babylon was conquered by Persia (Jeremiah 25:12; 2 Chronicles 36:20). During that time, nations could avoid exile by serving Babylon (Jeremiah 27:8-11). After Babylon’s 70 years ended, attention would be given to the Jews’ return (Jeremiah 29:10; 2 Chronicles 36:21). Since it is known that Babylon was conquered by Persia in 539BCE, Babylon’s 70 years therefore began with its defeat of Assyria’s last king in 609BCE.

Jorden

There is no basis for your assertions that any of the verses refer to the UN or to anything happening now.

There is basis but you would have to know the different Scriptures that are talking about the same entity. Also, you have to know what the goal was behind creating the UN.

[6-15-12 WT – Any power it (U.N.) has comes from its member nations, especially from its key backer, the Anglo-American World Power. (Rev. 17:10, 11) But it does receive authority to act as a king to carry out a specific task, one that triggers a chain of events that will change history.]

[Daniel 8:23 “And in the final part of their kingdom, as the transgressors act to a completion, there will stand up a king fierce in countenance and understanding ambiguous sayings. 24 And his power must become mighty, but not by his own power. And in a wonderful way he will cause ruin, and he will certainly prove successful and do effectively. And he will actually bring mighty ones to ruin, also the people made up of the holy ones.

[Revelation 17:11 And the wild beast…it is also itself an eighth king...13 These have one thought, and so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.]

[Revelation 13:5 And a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies was given it , and authority to act forty-two months was given it. 6 And it opened its mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his name and his residence, even those residing in heaven. 7 And there was granted it to wage war with the holy ones and conquer them, and authority was given it over every tribe and people and tongue and nation]

Bush Sr. New World Order Speech (rare) - YouTube

One World Religion - UN - YouTube

Walter Cronkite World Federalist Association - YouTube

User Clip: President H.W. Bush Joint Session of Congress Promotes New World Order | C-SPAN.org

Jeffro

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scholar

Jeffro

Okay. The biblical account of the Neobabylonian period indicates that all the nations would serve Babylon for 70 years (Jeremiah 25:11) until Babylon was conquered by Persia (Jeremiah 25:12; 2 Chronicles 36:20). During that time, nations could avoid exile by serving Babylon (Jeremiah 27:8-11). After Babylon’s 70 years ended, attention would be given to the Jews’ return (Jeremiah 29:10; 2 Chronicles 36:21). Since it is known that Babylon was conquered by Persia in 539BCE, Babylon’s 70 years therefore began with its defeat of Assyria’s last king in 609BCE.

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This is utter nonsense for the Bible clearly teaches that the 70 years was a period of Exile a period of servitude to Babylon under its domination and a Desolation of Judah beginning in 607 BCE and ending in 537 BCE. Further, your interpretation is bogus because you do not believe in these events for you do not believe the Bible so any opinion you express is insincere and inauthentic.

You should be paying attention to the 42 months, seven woes and the seven trumpets

scholar JW

Jeffro

'scholar':

This is utter nonsense for the Bible clearly teaches that the 70 years was a period of Exile a period of servitude to Babylon under its domination and a Desolation of Judah beginning in 607 BCE and ending in 537 BCE.

Liar. The Bible never mentions 70 years of exile. That is why you always defer to these stupid 'summaries' of JW belief instead.

Further, your interpretation is bogus because you do not believe in these events for you do not believe the Bible so any opinion you express is insincere and inauthentic.

Fallacy of division.

You should be paying attention to the 42 months, seven woes and the seven trumpets

I've given them due attention. The '42 months' ended nearly 1,953 years ago, so it's not a cause for concern. Similarly, the events symbolised by the 'woes' and 'trumpets' relate to the period of early Christianity (representing a combination of various real and imagined events), and are no cause for concern, despite the claims of conspiracy theorists, crackpots and fear-mongerers.

Jeffro

Jorden:

[Daniel 8:23 “And in the final part of their kingdom, as the transgressors act to a completion, there will stand up a king fierce in countenance and understanding ambiguous sayings. 24 And his power must become mighty, but not by his own power. And in a wonderful way he will cause ruin, and he will certainly prove successful and do effectively. And he will actually bring mighty ones to ruin, also the people made up of the holy ones.

Daniel 8:23 refers to actions by Antiochus IV Epiphanes in 168BCE.

[Revelation 17:11 And the wild beast…it is also itself an eighth king...13 These have one thought, and so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.]

Revelation 17:11 refers to a hypothetical version of Nero, specifically referencing the widespread superstitious belief at the time that Nero would return from the dead (Nero Redivivus).

[Revelation 13:5 And a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies was given it , and authority to act forty-two months was given it. 6 And it opened its mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his name and his residence, even those residing in heaven. 7 And there was granted it to wage war with the holy ones and conquer them, and authority was given it over every tribe and people and tongue and nation]

Revelation 13:5 refers to Rome, and specifically Nero, at the beginning of the '42 months' in 66CE.

Stop trying to scare people with nonsense.

stan livedeath

stan livedeath15 hours agofor me--if i had any belief or faith in the bible--which i dont--i would have to believe in all of the creation account as being real. That would have to include the creation in 7 days--because it says so in the bible.

so @ Scholar and Fisherman

if you believe Adam and Eve were real people, and the serpent really spoke to them, do you also believe god made the lot in 6 days?

Jorden

Stop trying to scare people with nonsense.

LOL! What about what I have shown would cause you to use that wording, 'scare people'?

What about what I have shown do you think is 'nonsense'?

Is it the Scriptures or the video clips?

If it is the Scriptures that are 'nonsense', then let's throw them out, throw out the whole Bible. It's a fake made-up book anyway, right.

OKAY DONE...it's out.

Now what about the UN organization, is it 'real', does it 'exist', is there 'proof' of it, was it really created in 1945 AFTER WW2?

Are Ted, George, and Walter 'real' people? Are they speaking the 'truth' in stating what they did in those clips where they tell what purpose the UN was founded and what the goal is for it to be someday?

Is it true that the way the current UN that exist in NY is made up of many different nations?

We threw out the Bible, so no need to refer to John and Daniel, fake people.

What about Ted, George and Walter and what they say...do you think that if there is a 3rd world war that during that time that that event/circumstance will be used to then make the UN become the entity that it was created for AFTER WW2 and has been working toward being since that time?

And don't mention anything in your answers about God, Bible, proof, etc... cause we threw that out.

Scholar and Fisherman

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