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Circuit Accounts Servants Confesses how the SCAM WORKS!!
by JT 158 Replies latest jw friends
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BucketShopBill
Looks like inflation is running rampant for the Watchtower Organization if they are now charging 70% more for Circuit Bragging Assemblies. How many of you did the accounts like this brother who wrote the details how things run?
We had to pay almost $3000 for a Bethel Couple to come out and give a talk that was not worth $20, his speaking style and constant reminder "The End is Nigh" according to the Slave. I get tired of hearing "Do you know how much the Faithful Slave loves you?"
Donations were not set aside for roofing, plumbing, other repairs that might be needed, the Elders who were the heads of the Assembly would drain the accounts and tell the friends "We started the Assembly with a $8000 deficiet, we know you will set aside your valuable things and take care of these expenses because of your love of Jehovah!"
Where did all the money go, it's not enough they are draining the Kingdom Halls of all their surplus cash, they need to drain the Circuit Assemblies of all monies too! I experienced some heated discussions from brothers who thought it was stupid to drain all the cash to and lie to the brothers and say 'we have no money!". The brothers who got angry were not used as financial helpers and often left the Organization because they saw the Watchtower used them!
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konceptual99
These are the public records from the Charities Commission web site on the halls in England. You can check cash on hand etc. by looking at the accounts.
The interesting one, as I have noted before, is the Surrey Assembly Hall (Haysbridge). This is the obvious cash cow. I was a little surprised that most of the other halls are showing income/expenses as roughly even, sometimes having cost considerably more in expenses than got in. A little digging in the accounts may explain why this is, for example there are some large somes put down to depreciation as opposed to specific expenses.
It's also interesting that Dudley had the same income two years running.
Surrey Assembly Hall
Financial summary
Financial year end (FYE) Income Spending Accounts received Annual Return/Annual Update received View 31 Aug 2013 Not received (85 days overdue) Not received (85 days overdue) 31 Aug 2012 £455,519 £143,910 02 Jun 2013 02 Jun 2013 Accounts 31 Aug 2011 £308,033 £158,254 31 Mar 2012 31 Mar 2012 Accounts 31 Aug 2010 £330,712 £148,359 15 Feb 2011 29 Jan 2011 Accounts 31 Aug 2009 £319,635 £140,463 11 Jan 2010 04 Oct 2010 (96 days late) Accounts East Pennine Hall
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Financial year end (FYE) Income Spending Accounts received Annual Return/Annual Update received View 31 Aug 2013 £258,687 £298,899 20 Feb 2014 20 Feb 2014 Accounts 31 Aug 2012 £244,243 £344,419 21 Feb 2013 21 Feb 2013 Accounts 31 Aug 2011 £238,504 £349,893 29 Mar 2012 26 Apr 2012 Accounts 31 Aug 2010 £226,504 £216,317 23 Feb 2011 23 Feb 2011 Accounts 31 Aug 2009 £220,779 £222,194 03 Feb 2010 03 Feb 2010 Accounts Manchester Assembly Hall
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Financial year end (FYE) Income Spending Accounts received Annual Return/Annual Update received View 31 Aug 2013 £178,991 £182,351 30 Jun 2014 30 Jun 2014 Accounts 31 Aug 2012 £184,083 £160,296 27 Jun 2013 27 Jun 2013 Accounts 31 Aug 2011 £183,453 £142,112 28 Jun 2012 28 Jun 2012 Accounts 31 Aug 2010 £141,342 £168,603 20 Mar 2011 15 Mar 2011 Accounts 31 Aug 2009 £148,227 £249,850 26 Jun 2010 25 Jun 2010 Accounts North London Assembly Hall
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Financial year end (FYE) Income Spending Accounts received Annual Return/Annual Update received View 31 Aug 2013 £197,985 £181,806 10 Feb 2014 10 Feb 2014 Accounts 31 Aug 2012 £200,288 £178,125 18 Feb 2013 18 Feb 2013 Accounts 31 Aug 2011 £199,742 £195,740 13 Feb 2012 13 Feb 2012 Accounts 31 Aug 2010 £206,840 £280,151 15 Mar 2011 22 Mar 2011 Accounts 31 Aug 2009 £215,583 £212,659 02 Mar 2010 01 Mar 2010 Bristol Assembly Hall
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Financial year end (FYE) Income Spending Accounts received Annual Return/Annual Update received View 31 Aug 2013 £157,170 £141,541 04 Mar 2014 17 Apr 2014 Accounts 31 Aug 2012 £153,480 £254,110 07 May 2013 07 May 2013 Accounts 31 Aug 2011 £161,215 £215,353 22 Feb 2012 28 Mar 2012 Accounts 31 Aug 2010 £150,523 £174,916 16 May 2011 27 Mar 2012 (271 days late) Accounts 31 Aug 2009 £159,942 £171,329 10 May 2010 08 Jun 2010 Accounts Dudley Assembly Hall
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Financial year end (FYE) Income Spending Accounts received Annual Return/Annual Update received View 31 Aug 2013 £188,907 £160,568 28 Apr 2014 28 Apr 2014 Accounts 31 Aug 2012 £194,414 £135,131 29 Mar 2013 29 Mar 2013 Accounts 31 Aug 2011 £179,596 £148,113 13 Mar 2012 28 Feb 2012 Accounts 31 Aug 2010 £179,596 £148,113 15 Feb 2011 15 Feb 2011 Accounts 31 Aug 2009 £176,574 £113,460 14 May 2010 14 May 2010 Accounts -
konceptual99
Interesting figures in the latest East Pennine Hall accounts....
Operating costs....£162,975
Other resources expended £135,924, with £345k the year before and £314k the year before that, apparently for refurbishment.
The accounts from 31/8/11 says...
ACHIEVEMENT AND PERFORMANCE
Charitable activities
During the year a refurbishment project was undertaken of the assembly hall. The trustees reserved £400,000 for the work, £314,674 was spent during the year.So, perhaps they are showing almost £800k for refurb over 3 years when they reserverd £400k, which of course was not reserved from exisiting assets, it would have been asked in extra donations from the R&F.
This whilst showing assets of £6 million....
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gonzobear
Hi,
I've been lurking here for a while, was brought up a witness, and left in 2007. Upped and left half way through a meeting when I couldn't stand it any more. But fet compelled to comment on this. I've worked for charities, Oxfam and Mercy Corps, and have been investigating JW's accounting half heartedly for a couple of months. It's easy to make the assembly halls run at a loss - registered as charities then all they need to do is donate excess funds to the WTBTS or the worldwide work, and BOOM, there's no mony left. I really believe they've got a pretty sophisitacted scam going on when it comes to donations etc.
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konceptual99
Which is exactly what goes on @gonzobear
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gonzobear
It explains too the need for all the different legal entities the WTBTS have, makes it very very hard to work out where the money goes. I knew it wasn't the truth a long way back. But hadn't worked out the degree to which it's a financial scam as well as theological!
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darth frosty
A video explanation from the man JT himself.
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skin
Where is JT? I see he hasn't posted on this site for about 8 years. -
Lieu
The only "expense" would be electric and that's certainly not 10 grand for a weekend. Everything else is already paid for and any maintenance is done free by volunteers. Literature is already paid for, trucks bringing it, paid for. Bethel drivers, paid for. That's all paid for through 200 yrs of adherent donations.
Why does a DO have 600 dollars worth of weekend expenses? Whole families don't have that. Rental cars are only $99 for a weekend.
I mean really.