What was really going on with Abel? Does anyone find the story of Cain and Abel screwed up.

by liam 13 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  liam

  Ever wonder about the story of Cain and Abel? Why did Jehovah like Abel's sacrifice more than Cain's?

  Maybe there's a subtle reason why Jehovah likes animal sacrifices. And maybe there's a difficult to detect reason why Abel sacrificed an animal instead of offering grain as a sacrifice to Jehovah.

  Here' one way of looking at that bible story;

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1g8wzsc/does_anyone_find_the_story_of_cain_and_abel/

  Does anyone find the story of Cain and Abel screwed up.

  
  

  Abel is the good guy right. He pleases Jehovah because he is good. But he likes to kill animals. You know, like a serial killer finds out early in life, how sweet it is to strangle a baby kitten to death, or chop the head of a puppy.

  How long had Abel been killing animals? Did he start with the small animals first like birds, baby wolves, etc.? And he must of killed of lot of animals because he got so good at cutting them to pieces that he knew which part was what, like a butcher, and used this knowledge to offer the best pieces in a sacrifice to Jehovah.

  So what does Abel eventually do? He gets some domestic animal that won’t fight back, like a sheep and kills it. Cuts it in pieces, blood everywhere, and offers it up to Jehovah.

  And what does Jehovah do? Jehovah is thrilled and loves it. Abel becomes his favorite.

  Cain on the other hand loves life and loves animals and never even considered killing an animal just for the pleasure of it. And Cain never imagined that Jehovah is a God that loves people that kills animals just for the heck of it. So Cain instead learns to cultivate the land and plant veggies and grain to sustain himself, his parents and brother.

  Remember Jehovah didn’t give them permission to eat meat till After the Flood. So Able didn’t eat the meat, He just Killed the animals BECAUSE HE LIKE IT!

  So if this was the case, Where was Abel killing all the animals? What was his first kill? How long did he practice killing animals?

  And so when the two brothers each offered a sacrificed to Jehovah, Abel a murdered animal, and Cain the fruitage of the land. Jehovah accepted Abel’s sacrifice because he liked the smell of burning flesh, but rejected Cain’s offering.

  So looking at it from this angle, you can see why Cain was pissed off. Jehovah loved the killing of living creatures but hated a peace loving man that hated taking any creature’s life.

  So what does Cain do, He kills Abel because Jehovah is kind of telling him that He likes sacrifices of Creature’s Lives Abel is a creature right?

  Maybe that’s why Jehovah didn’t protect Abel from being murdered. Jehovah knew that Abel was trouble, and was on the wrong path killing animals. It wouldn’t be long before Abel started killing humans.

  But Jehovah did protect Cain from anyone Killing him, Made a sign for Cain to warn everyone; “You better not touch Cain or I will Kill You.

  It seems like Jehovah knew Cain did him a favor by getting rid of Abel before he started killing his parents and everyone else he could get his hands on.

  Abel was like Dexter!

  

  
  
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  Sea Breeze

  God provided animal skins to “cover” A&E’s nakedness. This required a death to occur so that the covering could be made. Very prophetic.

  Animals are expensive. Grain is cheap. I think the Cain and Abel account is that simple. An example of unrestrained jealousy.

  And, Cain shook his fist at heaven and said this should have been good enough for you!
  
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  TonusOH

  Cain was rejected and reacted by killing someone. Typical vegan...
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  SydBarrett

  Why was a death required? He created the universe out of nothing but magicking a shirt and pants into existence was too much?
  
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  Touchofgrey

  Its a made up story,

  Abel was a shepherd, cain a farmer .

  Showing the transition from hunter gatherers to a settled agricultural society.

  No god needed.
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  blondie

  This occurred to me when I finally decided to read the bible through and started with the book of Genesis. When I read the account of Abel and Cain, I first thought "how could Abel kill an animal" supposedly humans weren't allowed to kill animals until after the flood. Abel must have only been raising them for the wool not for the meat. How did Abel know that he could kill an animal, shed blood, and that god would accept that. Cain raised vegetables, sacrificed to god and that wasn't accepted. I looked it up in the WT publications, the Insight book and read this convoluted explanation. "God expressed favor toward Abel’s offering but not Cain’s. How the approval and the rejection were manifested the record does not show, but it was undoubtedly evident to both men. (the record does not show, why then does the WTS infer or add to the scripture) Some point out (The WTS is doing that) that Abel’s offering is specified to have been of the “firstlings of his flock, even their fatty pieces,” whereas Cain’s offering is not said to be of the choicest fruits (What implying that Cain offered inferior things?) Did Abel think that shedding the blood of a living creature was a more valuable sacrifice, perhaps meditating on the divine promise at Genesis 3:15 concerning the seed, whose blood would have to be shed? Many centuries after Abel’s time, the sacrifice of an unblemished lamb was used to picture the sacrifice of God’s own perfect Son.(John 1:29) However, much of that surely lay well beyond Abel’s understanding. The reason for God’s approval of only Abel’s offering is made clear by later writings. (If not clear based on the account, why assume that Abel and Cain knew why one sacrifice was favored and the other not) The apostle Paul lists Abel as the first man of faith, a Hebrews 11:4, and shows that this resulted in his sacrifice being of “greater worth” than Cain’s offering. By contrast, 1 John 3:11,12 shows Cain’s heart attitude to have been bad (so God knew what Cain would do before he did it, that there was no hope Cain would not follow through on his thought?); and his later rejection of God’s counsel and warning, as well as his premeditated murder of his brother Abel, demonstrated this." Well, this started me asking questions about other accounts like this and looking up what the WTS had to say about it? By the time I got to the end of the book of Genesis, I had looked and researched 20 topics, and I realized that the WTS had their own slant on things, (where the record did not show).
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  TD

  Skill in the art of butchery at a time when animals were ostensibly not on the menu screams "Plot hole"
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  liam

  The bible makes it clear, Jehovah is a God that Loves the spilling of blood. It pleases Him when blood is shed. Whether it’s animal or Human, it does not matter. As long as the creature suffers tremendously.

  CEV GENESIS 8:20 Noah built an altar where he could offer sacrifices to the Lord. Then he offered on the altar one of each kind of animal and bird that could be used for a sacrifice.

  Genesis 8: 21 THE SMELL OF THE BURNING OFFERING PLEASED THE LORD.

  Genesis ERV 8:21 THE LORD SMELLED THE SACRIFICES, AND IT PLEASED HIM.

  Jehovah revealed to humans that the torturing of defenseless Creatures, and inflicting suffering on them, PLEASES HIM.

  For example;

  King Solomon offered a significant number of sacrifices upon finishing the Temple, specifically

  22,000 cattle

  120,000 sheep and goats,

  These offerings were part of the dedication of the Temple to God.

  as recorded in 2 Chronicles 7:5 and 1 Kings 8:63

  If you built a house, for you and your family to live in, would you require the sacrifice of 22,000 puppies? What kind of a person would you assume a human to be, if he required the sacrifice of so many puppies just because a Home was built?

  Even Jehovah’s beloved son was not immune to Jehovah's lust for seeing ALL his creatures suffer by seeing their blood spill

  The bible makes it clear, that it was Jehovah’s will to crush Him and cause Him to suffer, indicating that God found pleasure in the suffering of the servant as part of a divine plan.

  Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent, so he opened not his mouth.

  Hell, if you need to forgive someone, JUST FORGIVE THEM! There’s no need to desire a blood feast.
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  Scully

  If you were to look at this through the lens of the people who recorded these "events", you'll see a kind of hierarchy where supposedly wealthy individuals had herds of cattle, sheep, goats, etc. that are more expensive to maintain, and the lower rung people had to grow their food, and gather the fruit, vegetables and grain, things that would have been fed to the animals being raised by the "wealthier" people, as well as what fed their family.

  Since it isn't actually real, we can assume that "god" preferred the offerings of animals because their inherent value was related to the amount of resources required to raise those animals. "god" was specific about the types of animals that were acceptable: they could not be damaged goods or of lower quality (sickly or small or weak), so "he" demanded only the best, and what was fed to animals to nourish and make them healthy and robust would likely be regarded of lower value, even though the labour involved in growing crops and harvesting them was just as valuable as the labour that was involved in raising animals.

  Also likely was that a lot of the labour involved in farming might have been done by women and thought to be of lesser value than any work done by men.

  Remember we're talking about a "god" who wanted the sacrifice of the foreskins of infant males on their eighth day of life. Kind of a psychopath imo.
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  liam

  Genesis 8: 21 THE SMELL OF THE BURNING OFFERING PLEASED THE LORD.

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