Freeminds Arcticle: "Do Jehovah's Witnesses Believe the Bible?"

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  • gumby
    gumby

    James T

    Perhaps if we let go of such disparaging beliefs and "faith" about God, we may discover we have never been abandon or separated

    As usual...intresting comments James.

    The reality of people following this advise is pretty slim. It took me years of being drug through the mud to see it, so the chances of religious people that have not been abused as an ex-dub seeing it is.........well..........

    People will STILL believe in whatever it takes to get them through life.........in their own eyes. Many already KNOW, that the bible and it's stories are full of holes. They don't care. They don't care the same as a dub can be shown PROOF that their Organisation is nothing but a bucket of shit, ........and they don't care! They have nowhere else to put their faith..........and they MUST have faith ......according to them.........or life has no meaning.

    Gumby

  • JamesThomas
    JamesThomas

    Yes, Gumby, what you say I can not dispute, mainly because I was there too. I felt a need for some intellectual, mind generated explanation or reason for my existence and so I put my faith in beliefs full of holes. I guess that made them holy. It's as if we all contain an innate desire for understanding -- be it religious, or scientific, or something. I sense you hit a certain nail on the head when you said: "They have nowhere else to put their faith". This is not true of course, they do have another "place", we are just blinded to it by our cherished faiths and beliefs. It seems we are heavily conditioned and programmed from a very early age to rely on faith and beliefs in things external to us and in some other space and time. This is our paradigm. We can not even imagine or comprehend something other, so we are not motivated to even begin to look or question. Honestly and deeply questioning our cherished and foundational beliefs can be scary as hell. It's kind of like sawing off the very high limb we are sitting on. I understand why few seem to do it. However, continually embracing concepts, ideas and beliefs of a God which exists as a thing out there some place, blinds us to the living Presence of our Source, which exists not in the mental constructs of space and time (Lo here and there), but here and now (within). It is closer than close, and not in anyway separate from the consciousness which looks out these eyes even now. One might think it would be good news for those who call themselves lovers of God to hear that what the word "God" points to is available within now; and that the only boundaries to God are illusions of beliefs and paradigms within the mind. But I don't find this to be the case. It's seems that we are far too enamored and in love with our ideas and beliefs about God, to let go of them and embrace the Reality. Perhaps if religious people but down their Bible for a while and read a little Quantum Physics, they may get an idea of a far larger and closer underlying Source than they ever had before. But again, that would require abandoning tiny anthropomorphic concepts of god, and there we go sawing that limb again. j

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Yeah i always had trouble with that issue too....i mean, what was the point of Jesus showing Thomas the nail prints on his hands....if it really wasn't prints made by the nails??? It made Jesus seem a little dodgy....

    I totally bought into the doctrine against immortality of the soul, but for the life of me i never accepted the idea that the resurrected as recreated from God's "memory". No, no way.....it was like invasion of the body snatchers, a recreated person would not REALLY be me, what kind of a "hope" is that? Someone else would be living my life. So, instead i rationalized it in my mind as thinking that when a person dies, and their spirit goes back to God (as it says in Ps.), it is an unconscious spirit, with no personality or awareness (cause it needs a body for that), but it is an individual spirit that will then be sent back into a recreated body and that would establish the continuity needed. I'm sure that would've been heretical if the elders ever found out i believed that, but ever since i was 8 years old, I understood that resurrection is not recreation.

    As for Jesus, I thought of his spirit as different from that of human people.....and so when he died, his spirit was released and he indeed was conscious (for how else could be preach to the spirits in Tartarus?)....and then God made him a new body to be resurrected in. Little did I know that the witness doctrine led me to an almost docetist belief...

    Leolaia

  • gumby
    gumby
    However, continually embracing concepts, ideas and beliefs of a God which exists as a thing out there some place, blinds us to the living Presence of our Source, which exists not in the mental constructs of space and time (Lo here and there), but here and now (within).

    Hi James,

    Thanks for responding, as this subject challenges minds of the world.

    I would be intrested in a short explanation of what you mean by the bolded words. What "source"?

    What is the bottom line in your opinion of how life got here on earth, and man himself?

    Gumby

  • JamesThomas
    JamesThomas
    I would be intrested in a short explanation of what you mean by the bolded words. What "source"? What is the bottom line in your opinion of how life got here on earth, and man himself?

    Gumby I feel as if I have high jacked Hooberus' thread already so I will not respond here. I've been pondering an original post on this subject. Perhaps in a few days. j

  • marriedtodamob
    marriedtodamob

    Great topic and posts James et al,

    As usual, I am being completely challenged in mind, heart and spirit. I can hear a limb cracking and see some anthropromorphic microorganisms quietly dying...

    I look forward to more, and the new topic!

    mobbie

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