I'm already insane and want to kill myself. The only thing stopping me is I'm trying to understand all of quantum physics and molecular biology. As for "waking up" and "seeing the light" I decided that I will never be a part of that group until the end of whatever we call this world happens. I am grief stricken with the eternal debate between deity or self created. If satan does exist, he is very careful not to show me any demonic forces, if God does exist, he has done alot of confusing me. If we are self-created, then I would say I didn't waste my early years, since religeon has probably elevated my intellectual level beyond what it would have been (in theory). That's at least what I'm telling everyone.
Did a 'major-event' cause you to join/leave JW?s?
by cyberguy 25 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Carmel
Ora,
Just what is thee "correct view of the diety" that we are all missing the mark on?
caveman
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Oracroth
That question in itself shows that we all lack. "Be careful those who think they are standing, that they do not fall." If you beleive you are not lacking then you already have fallen.
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zen nudist
no major event, just a discovery of the WT lying.....
My theory is that religion works much like hypnosis... we voluntarily allow the SUGGESTION of others to lead us because we come to TRUST those who
we see as valid leaders. In 1974, I first met JWs, I had never heard of them and I did not trust them... but I read their literature and unlike the catholics who raised me, they made sense.
they answered questions instead of just telling me what to do and how to do it. I still did not trust them, because something did not seem right, but I could not tell what exactly.
I read books written by catholics and protestants against JWs and they came off like WE ARE THE CHURCH DO AS WE SAY, THEY ARE LIARS BECAUSE WE SAY SO... which made me trust JWs even more. JWs have the us/them mentality which makes people naturally huddle together against their common enemies and this seems like LOVE... but it is found in just about every minority cult you can find. Reading books on Mormon's, I found they are shockingly similar to JWs in all organizational ways and their apparent LOVE amongst themselves.
In 1985-6, I read a book called Subliminal Seduction and vowed that if I EVER caught JWs using such mind manipulations I would have to leave them... no matter how right they sounded doctrinally, I could not accept any group that used brainwashing techniques like that.... shortly after read that, I learned that some were accusing the brothers of doing just that and the "brothers" came down hard on them, threatened anyone who would make such a "false" accusation against the hard working slaves in the tower.... and I found it very difficult to tell if subliminals were being used or it was just our minds playing tricks on us when we actively looked for them.
then came 1990. after the memorial I and my then wife picked up our alotment of watchtowers and awakes, she went home to bed and I went to work. after reading one of the awakes, I was just doodling on the cover, just tracing the lines of shadow on the face of the pope [there were three religious leaders on the cover -Arch bishop of canterbury, the Pope and the Patriarch of constantenople].... suddenly the shadows spelled out an unmistakeable word -- FAKE -, clear as day, right on the pope's face. on the patriarch the word FART seemed more the case than FAKE, but I could be wrong (^_^)... but still, it seemed an obvious subliminal and it hit me---- the society had LIED to us. either they KNEW about the subliminals and covered it up, or they did not know and lied to protect themselves while they either ignored the issue or hunted down the rougues within the tower.... either way, they LIED.
its one thing to lie about things no one can check, like whether or not there is a god or a Jesus or a heaven or a hell, but when you lie about things people can check, someone will find out...eventually.... and of course this is used as a test of loyalty by the society, they don't want people who can think, they want sheep who will allow themselves to be lead.
the society does not even care to address their many contradictions and alterations of history, they figure that they dont wany anyone who figures it out anyway, they are only looking for those who take SUGGESTIONS well, those who are easily HYPNOTIZED.... I woke up.
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cyberguy
Oraacroth ? PLEASE don?t even consider yourself "insane" and wanting to "kill" yourself! If you think about it long enough, there?s people that love you and would truly miss you if you did something as serious as you are suggesting! A lot of people on this board are struggling! Ok, MOST on this board are struggling! They?re trying to determine if God exists and what the future will be! "Is there life after death?" Anyway, YOU?RE NOT ALONE! PLEASE VISIT WITH US OFTEN! Don?t get too discouraged if you can help it! Thank you for you self-evaluation on this subject and your post! Take care!
Cyberguy! (send me an email anytime -- worried about you!)
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Joker10
A dead of a loved one can actually make a JW more hopeful to the future.