Watchtower Used to Teach Jesus Was Not an Angel and was  "the Lord from Heaven" Who Died on a Cross!

by Sea Breeze 25 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    May be an image of diary, harp, book and text

    May be an image of diary and text

    May be an image of text that says '112 e Harp of God was not an angel? Cite the Seriptural proof. that.Jesu Jesus 1174. Give further scriptures to show that he was a man, made in helikeness of men, and that he is the Lord from hea ven. I 174. Had Jesus been an incarnate being, would it have been necessary for him to be born as a child? 1 175. Why should we reason upon God's plan? ។ 176. of Could there have been any hope for the redemption the human race by Jesus becoming a man and by his death providing the ransom price? 176.'

    May be an image of ‎diary and ‎text that says '‎112 ጥኼ Harp of God that Jesus was not 174 Give further seriptures inthe likeness men,a and 174. angel? Cite the Seriptural proof. show that he 1008 man, made hat he the Lord from Jesus been incarnate being, would have been 75. лeceHary bim born as: child? 176. Why we reason upon for redemptlon of Could there have been excent Tesus becoming an and by his 176. death providing the ransom price? - ישתלפלרשדירים E P6:136,140,142, 136 140 I 142, P6:136 PE:‎'‎‎

    No wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from Kingdon Hall Libraries.

  • Beth Sarim
    Beth Sarim

    Because they were caught with the older literatrash full of lies.

    And can be called out with it.

  • nicolaou
    nicolaou

    No doubt you're correct but here's the thing in Watchtowerland.

    Nobody cares.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    In the preceding pages the book explains that Jesus was God’s first creation and a separate being from God. In paragraph 170 it explains that Jesus was not incarnated and was not a spirit creature while on earth but was a man, and that is why the idea of incarnation is false.


  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    I think there is a lot here that most JW's today would deny.

    The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second man was the Lord from heaven. - 1 Cor. 15: 47

    That's huge.


    Me: Excuse me Mr. J. W. Cartman,

    Were you aware that the Watchtower used to teach that Jesus was "the Lord from heaven"?

    Them: No, that is not possible. The truth never changes.

    Me: It's true. It is printed right here in this book titled The Harp of God, written by a president of your church. It is located right next to this picture of Jesus hanging on a cross.

    4 Major Obstacles to Effective Listening - KMM Consulting

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    The quotation is taken from the King James Version which was used at the time. Modern versions of the Bible omit the word Lord in 1 Cor 15:47 because it is absent in early manuscripts. Regardless of the reading of this verse Jehovah’s Witnesses, as also the early Christians, acknowledge Jesus as Lord.

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    That is not true SBF.

    But you are correct that the early Christians referred to Jesus as "God" and "Lord" when referring to him in their writings. That verse reads the same in the Modern English Version as well as several others. It also reads that way in the vast majority of all ancient manuscripts.

    But, that's not the point. The point is that the WT used it as the Word of God, and taught at one time that Jesus was "the Lord from heaven". They also depicted him on a cross as well as debunked the idea that he was an an incarnated angel.

    That was a new one for me when I saw this posted on FB.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    What’s not true?

    The modern versions listed here omit the word “Lord”, apart from the Amplified Bible that puts it in square brackets.

    https://biblehub.com/parallel/1_corinthians/15-47.htm

    Which modern English version do you say includes the word “Lord”?

    The earliest MSS, including Vaticanus and Sinaiticus omit “Lord”, and modern critical editions of the Greek New Testament omit the word too: NA28, UBS5, Tyndale. That’s the reason modern versions don’t include the word in the text.

    Nevertheless, Jehovah’s Witnesses believe Jesus is Lord and would have no trouble saying so then or now, or quoting the King James in this verse, as they often did in that period. They believe Jesus is God’s first creation and second in the universe only to God himself. This is what they taught in The Harp of God and it is what they teach now.

  • vienne
    vienne

    SBF: Exactly.

  • ThomasMore
    ThomasMore

    I believe that years later, after the publication of the Harp of God, WTC acknowledged that Mary contributed 1/2 the DNA of Jesus, so that he could actually be said to be a human. They also said that in the "conception" that the DNA contributed by Holy Spirit "canceled" out the imperfection of Mary's DNA.

    I am sure they are right since they are inspired and infallible in all things. They have never been wrong and never will be wrong - not about anything - nothing. If they were wrong, then they were still on the divine course to what is right. If you feel otherwise, then you are wrong, fighting against God and his Governing Body.

    You - Wrong Wrong Wrong

    WTC - Right Right Right

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