Is Michael Jackson Guilty?

by shamus 63 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

  • Nosferatu
    Nosferatu

    Personally, I'm not sure if he's guilty or not. I remember watching that interview on TV, and seeing Michael sitting next to a child on a couch during the interview, holding his hand. I think the kid was around 11 years old. By the time I was around 8, I quit holding my mother's hand for anything. That and the fact that he sleeps in the same bed with the children creeped me out. If he was just having them sleep at his house - without being in his bed, It wouldn't bother me.

    ...and why are young boys the majority at Neverland?

    I have a feeling we're not going to see this whole thing to the end. I really think that Michael will commit suicide before we hear from the jury.

    Personally, I'd like to see him reach age 60. I really wanna know how deformed his face will be by then.

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex

    "Enjoy sex." I'm not willing to go that far when it comes to children (for this point can we agree on the age range of pre-puberty?), however I will agree with you that in the sense of children exploring their bodies and experience something pleasurable. I don't want to get bogged down in semantics, but I think to express it stronger than that belies their motives.

    As far as morality, well sure children don't necessarily see anything wrong with exploring their bodies, comparing, etc. It is the parents' job to, if not impose morality, then to at least teach what is appropriate. For example, a 7 year old boy needs to learn it's not appropriate to walk around the grocery store with his hand shoved down his pants. I believe it is up to each parent to pass own their own values and set of right and wrong. I personally see nothing wrong with my son exploring his own body, but there is a time and place. I've said it's not shameful, but it is private. Subtle but important difference.

    Societal norms or not, it is never, ever a good thing for an adult to be involved in any way, sexually with a child. It is not possible for an adult and a child to be in a "loving" sexual relationship, nor is it beneficial to the child, for an adult to "teach" them sex play. I'm sorry, but I cannot and will not agree with anyone who says otherwise.

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  • William Penwell
    William Penwell

    We discussed this on another post. I don't know if he is guilty but the way he acts sure doesn't help his cause. He has openly admitted allowing 12 year old boys to sleep in his bed. Even if it is perfectly innocent, a 45 year old man does not let a 12 year old boy sleep in his bed. You are just leaving yourself open for every "get rich quick" parent to file a law suite. Some close friend or relative should have told Michael he was playing with fire.

    Will

  • worldlygirl
    worldlygirl

    I know it's easy for a lot of people to develop a "who cares what anyone else thinks" attitude. But, I agree with the previous statement that, after having been accused before, he should have been ever so careful not to put himself into a situation as questionable as this.

    I also disagree to some extent with the argument that people are against him only because he looks like a freak. I think his self-mutilation is just another form of "acting out" his perversions . . . this guy does not want to be seen as normal in any respect . . . and I think he feels that he is invincible.

    Reminds me of the hoodlums on the street who are always bitching because people lock their doors when they see them. They say they are being stereotyped, discriminated against. Yet in my opinion they dress like they do for a reason - they want the reaction. If you don't want people to think you're a thug, stop dressing like one! (Same goes for the little hoochie-mamas at the mall who get upset when they get a bad reputation - yet they don't mind showing a plenty of skin to get the attention.)

    Who knows if he is guilty, but in any case, I have not pity for him. He brought this on himself.

  • William Penwell
    William Penwell
    There are also some employees of Jackson who said they saw the mother of the boy often arguing with the singer ? sometimes, they said, high on crack ? and that she made demands.

    Case in point, what is wrong with Jackson's advisers here? I think he is definitely guilty of stupidity and poor advise. However it still doesn't absolve him of guilt if he did it.

    Will

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    This is one of those cases where i haven't a clue whether the charges are true or not. I will hold my judgment until more facts come to light. From what we have seen of MJ's interest in children and the 1993 charges, he sure looks guilty as hell, but then the motivation of bringing false charges for money is very, very high and MJ is a very easy target. I think once we see more information on both sides we'll have a better idea what has happened.

    I do think he has serious mental/emotional problems. He is almost completely bound up in this fantasy world he created for himself. He is not honest with himself or with others, like when he told Bashir that he has had only two surgeries to his face. This statement of his shows quite plainly that he is willing to deny things that are obvious to other people and fudge the truth. I don't think he necessarily intended to deface his appearance .... it may be that he just didn't know when to stop or doesn't realize how he looks to other ppl. The MJ we saw in the Bashir documentary also seemed to lack basic common sense and the way he talked struck me as very innocent and naive. But I don't buy into the descriptions of him as a 'child trapped in an adult's body' or an adult who thinks 'like a child'. It seems more like his self-imposed "childhood" is itself a fantasy he is living out, a construct of his imagination, instead of something that he just happens to find himself in. In other words, he has regressed himself into an imagined childhood he always wanted for himself instead of genuinely being "arrested" in a childhood. I say this of course, just as my own opinion. But hearing him talk about children, about childhood, seems to suggest this to me. He idealizes children and puts them on such a pedestal of spiritual and symbolic magnificance; he describes children idealistically as being the closest thing to God and childhood as a wonderful end to itself instead of a process of "growing up" into adulthood. He seems to talk as an adult who wants to aspire to the ideal of being a child, who wishes to re-make himself as a child, and not as someone arrested with a child-like outlook on the world and life. I thought about this a lot the week Mr. Rogers died. Mr. Rogers talked to children as peers, he understood their language, and endeavored to talk to them about the pains, problems, and "growing up" issues they all experience. In no way did he fetishize them as ideals of human Goodness -- he talked to them as real people about their real issues. MJ is not interested in what most kids concern themselves with (how to grow up), he wants to play with children as a child, but he turns what most kids realize is a process (childhood) into a state and wants to forever remain in that state. I do not see how this outlook helps children (such as, the very kids he is raising) face the real challenges of growing up. He reminds me of Barney, the purple dinosaur. When a child on the show has a problem, instead of directly confronting it and talking about it as what happens on Mr. Rogers or Sesame Street, Barney's solution is distraction with more fun games, never facing the actual issue at hand. MJ seems to be going in the opposite direction of most children....wanting to become more and more like a child when most kids want to learn how to be "age-appropriate", to be "big boys" and "big girls". For most kids, "play" is a means of learning about the world, learning how things work, how social roles work, how their bodies work, etc. while for MJ "play" is means of "being a child" and an end to itself. Of course, this is all my subjective impression of how Jackson has expressed himself and acted around children, so this may be completely off base. It just seems to me that he is coming from a totally different point of view than most children. His present childhood seems to be one that he has made for himself from what he BELIEVES childhood should be, rather than what it really is.

    And what all that makes me wonder is if all the naivete and innocence which he may use for his defense is REALLY innocence, or if it is a feigned innocence he has adopted for himself in order to act in a child-like sort of way. It's like the "blonde bimbo" syndrome. It is not unheard of that in certain situations, some blonde women act in certain naive ways in order to make other ppl (i.e. certain MEN) think of them as dumb and therefore attractive.

    Also, my impression of the MJ circa 1983-1984 seemed much more savvy and "adult" than the one interviewed by Bashir. Songs like "Billie Jean" seem to betray a more adult understanding of the world than what we would expect these days from him.

    Leolaia

  • William Penwell
    William Penwell

    Leolaia

    Interesting post. I would think there is a lot of psychologists that would like to psychoanalyze MJ. Seems that MJ adult ego state has not developed normally. Like you said he seems to have regressed back into his child ego state. Also I agree that I wonder if this regression is a deliberate or not, defense mechanism to minimize his culpability.

    Will

  • William Penwell
    William Penwell

    CONCERNED LAWYER wrote;

    ie HE THINKS ITS LOVE. He regularly chooses single mom, disenfranchised families. (easily swayed by $$, attention, help, time...) He has created a child magnet with his home/ranch. He is incapable of sustained, normal sexual interaction. He is subject to "crushes" on pre-pubescent boys, all approximately the same age (his sexual age of choice). He creates and saves memorabilia of his "love" relationships -- (the love letters to boys).

    I agree with you. Where there is smoke there is fire. These are the classic signs of a pedophile. I really think that he has gone further but this needs to be proven in a court of law but if he hasn't, what crime has he committed? I think any "normal" person would say this is strange behaviour but its not illegal. I am sure this is what his defense lawyer will try to show that, just because he is different doesn't make him a criminal. Will

  • Phil
    Phil

    Is MJ still a JW?

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