Is Belief in Jesus Enough to be Saved? Or Does it Include Believing Jesus?

by Sea Breeze 25 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    @Rattigan: it is only a paradox if you do not believe in things like an immortal soul. Judaism, and by extent, Christianity are faiths that have developed over literally 4-5000 years, likely longer, you can’t just redirect a core tenet in a single argument in a single thought from a single person over the past roughly 100 years. It’s all connected and has been refined so far, it is ‘true’ in the sense that everything around the faith, around our culture, our laws etc are imbued with the ‘fact’ that we have an immortal soul, disconnected from the body.

    And yes, I’m not saying this is a scientific fact, I’m just saying this is a fact in how we organize our lives. If we did not believe as such, laws around life and death in general (murder, manslaughter, probate, abortion, euthanasia, suicide …) would look vastly different, Europe and Canada is going a very slight way into rejection of those tenets and as a result are ‘cheapening’ death in their laws, they promote euthanasia and abortion as collective cost savings, as a result murder becomes less punishable (on average ~10 years in jail with recent cases having gone as low as 2), probate law has become much less about individual families but more about societal benefits.

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    When Christians talk about the need to be "saved", they are talking about the man made concept of Sin, which men also made up, and sold to the Gullible, a "remedy" for.

    That Scam almost makes Snake Oil Salesmen look respectable !

  • punkofnice
    punkofnice

    For 'Justification', see Romans 3

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    Agreed Punky, there Paul claims " 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. "

    Interesting that though in his mind is obviously his idea of needing to be saved from inherited Sin, the list of Evil that he mentioned a few verses earlier, with quotes from the O.T, is of things that a morally upright person does not practice. So a reader not digging deep in to Paul's thinking may conclude " I don't need saving".

    Of course Paul here and elsewhere is selling the Scam of Sin* and invented Remedy for Sin which apparently can be inherited.

    * "Sin" is an offence against a god, since no gods exist, or ever did, there is of course no such thing.

  • joe134cd
    joe134cd

    Is believing that a low fat diet will help me lose weight. Not unless I put it into practice.

  • Halcon
    Halcon
    Phizzy-Of course Paul here and elsewhere is selling the Scam of Sin* and invented Remedy for Sin which apparently can be inherited. * "Sin" is an offence against a god, since no gods exist, or ever did, there is of course no such thing.

    A Christian arrives at the same conclusion that sin is nonexistent thru the grace of God.

    In the end (as always), the real issue is will you, a human being and inferior recognize God or not?

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