Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave? (page 6)

Beth Sarim

Vanderhoven7;

"Can a person be a Christian if he or she doesn't believe that the events purported by Watchtower to have taken place on these three dates actually happened?

In other words does one have to believe in 1914, 1918, and 1919 to be a Christian?"

Um.. In WT land,,,, no,,,, if you don't swallow the entire WT dogma hook line and sinker you can't subscribe to the entire WT theology and this is evident in their entire us VS them black and white mentality,

And your 2nd question. A JW has to believe everything the Borg spews out to be a Christian.

Great points.

Vanderhoven7

@Beth Sarim

If that's the case then it appears that Watchtower is limiting God's ability to save and sanctify individuals based on extra-biblical criteria.

@ Scholar

Your thoughts. Does one have to believe in 1914, 1918, and 1919 to be a Christian?

Konagirl

@Rattagan 350 - "It does not matter. You don't build a religion based on one scripture."

I agree to a point. Each scripture, matters. 2 Tim 3:16 But who is man that he should build a religion anyway? Shouldn't that be left to the Father and the Son? (John 2:19-21; Matt 16:18; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)

However, it seems apparent that man can build a religion, on just three dates.

waton

1914: we will go to heaven this year

!918: Babylon had a fall, we were released from captivity (the big house)

1919: we were made the F&DS, based on our Main Message: " The world has ended, millions now living will never die".

A trend still apparent today. 1925, 1975, 2075

Linda14

My answer will be:

I' am yet to confirm who that Slave is. Remember the slave is appointed by Jesus to care for their assignment. This slave would be a class of divinely appointed Stewards IMO. They will be like the apostles. Just as Paul was appointed as an apostle to preach, form congregation and teach them, that's how i see the slave to be. In our day, this would be in form of modern General Overseers. As Paul was sent to form churches and teach them, these overseers are divinely appointed to form churches and teach them.

However, I don't know for sure who has received that assignment from churches available. I would welcome a miraculous evidence for such appointment.

The GB think they are that slave because they think that the way the first century christians functioned were through the direction of a GB in Jerusalem. They are wrong.

Jesus appointed the apostles who go and establish congregation all over the world. They cared for those group they formed, wrote to them, appointed overseers, answered their bible questions without seeking approval from any GB from Jerusalem. If you read 1cor very well you will understand Paul received a question from the Corinthians, and he answered it in that letter, giving them direction about worship, spiritual gifts, disfellowshiping, resurrection, marriage, singleness, etc He didn't request approval from Jerusalem to send his letter. He was a Steward appointed to feed those congregation he he was divinely appointed to form.

I feel any such Slave today would run similarly.

Secondly, bear in mind that attaching "Faithful and Discreet" to the word slave is tricky. Jesus would be the one who will declare them faithful and discreet when he comes. That phrase is not a title. Jesus used that phrase to show that they were faithful when they were appointed, but whether they will remain faithful is another thing. If the slave became sluggish or start to beat his fellow slave, he is no longer faithful and discreet. So it is wise to wait when Jesus comes to know if one was faithful and discreet.

Rattigan350

Konagirl:

@Rattagan 350 - "It does not matter. You don't build a religion based on one scripture."

"I agree to a point. Each scripture, matters. "

I don't think that any scripture matters. Scripture is just past writings telling of God's will.

His will and purposes will continue even if never written down.

Many things that Jesus said were never written down. If the F&DS saying was written down, then what would they have?

scholar

Vanderhoven7

"Can a person be a Christian if he or she doesn't believe that the events purported by Watchtower to have taken place on these three dates actually happened?

In other words does one have to believe in 1914, 1918, and 1919 to be a Christian?"

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The answer is NO. Such parabolc interpretations and others are not considered to be primary doctrine - not essential for sakvation.

However, such interpretations are helpful and beneficial for one's faith, especially in establishing the identity of the true and only eschatological Church which alone is doing the Lord's work today by preaching the Gospel.

scholar JW

Beth Sarim

"In other words does one have to believe in 1914, 1918, and 1919 to be a Christian?" ""

Actually, in JWland, the answer is ''yes"". To be accepted as a "Christian'' in good-standing in the congregation and be accepted as good association to fellow JW's, friends and family.

If you don't accept such dogma,, you are worthy as being shunned, cut-off from such friends and family and worthy of fireballs at Armageddon.

Vanderhoven7

@Scholar

The answer is NO. Such parabolic interpretations and others are not considered to be primary doctrine - not essential for salvation. However, such interpretations are helpful and beneficial for one's faith...

So according to " the only true eschatological church" a person does not have to believe in 1914, 1918, and 1919 to be a Christian. Wonderful!

So will your organization baptize those Christians who don't believe in 1914, 1918 and 1919?

Beth Sarim

If we can somehow prove that believing in the dates of 1914, 1918 and 1919 we can put aside any doubts that trusting such dogma makes us good Christians.

But you have to believe in anything from the men in New York make us so.

Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

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