Comments You Will Not Hear at the 11-30-03 WT Study

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    blondie

    Comments You Will Not Hear at the 11-30-03 WT Study

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    TO WIN THE PRIZE,

    EXERCISE SELF- CONTROL!

    "Every man taking part in a contest exercises self-control in all things."

    -1 CORINTHIANS 9:25.

    All athletes practice strict self-control. They do it to win a prize that will fade away, but we do it for an eternal prize.

    ?1 Corinthians 9:25 (NLT)

    Opening Comments

    I find it helpful to look at the title of the article. "To win the prize," what is the prize? Is the prize the same for everyone? How do you win the prize? Is this a case of works = salvation?

    Do you look for WT buzzwords such as "meaningful." As in "meaningful share" in the ministry which is determined to be the national average.

    Look for quotes from other sources without the name of the publication, author, or page.

    Translation: Self-control means doing only what the WTS says to do. Anything else puts your prize in jeopardy.

    START OF ARTICLE

    I

    F YOU were baptized as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, you went on public record that you were willing to engage in a contest that has eternal life as its prize. You said yes to doing Jehovah's (as interpreted by the WTS) will. Before making a dedication to Jehovah, many of us had to make significant changes so that our dedication would be meaningful (buzzword), acceptable to God the WTS. We followed the apostle Paul's counsel to Christians: "Put away the old personality which conforms to your former course of conduct and which is being corrupted according to his deceptive desires . . . Put on the new personality which was created according to God's will in true righteousness and loyalty." (Ephesians 4:22-24) In other words, before saying yes as respects dedication to God, we had to say no to an unacceptable former way of life.

    Certain features of the old personality that prospective Witnesses of Jehovah must put away are directly condemned

    (implying there are those that are indirectly condemned, such as smoking) by God's Word. Paul enumerated some in his letter to the Corinthians, saying: "Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God's kingdom." He then showed that first century Christians made necessary personality changes, adding: "Yet that is what some of you were." Notice, were, not are.-1 Corinthians 6:9-11.

    Paul suggested that additional changes might also be necessary, for he continued: "All things are lawful for me; but not all things are advantageous." (1 Corinthians 6:12) Thus, many today who desire to be Jehovah's Witnesses see the need of saying no even to things that although lawful are of no advantage or are of little lasting value. These may be time-consuming and could sidetrack them from pursuing things of greater importance. (sports, movies, music, exercise, woodworking, TV, boating, fishing, hunting)

    WT 6/1/93 p

    22

    Do I need this expensive purchase or this well-paying, time-consuming job more than the millions of other people who must live without it?

    Could I perhaps better spend my money or my time in expanding my share in true worship, in supporting the worldwide preaching work, or in helping people less fortunate than I am?

    WT 9/1/93 p

    14

    One of the biggest impediments to this is that time-consuming apparatus that holds the place of honor in many homes?the TV. This presents a challenge?does TV control you, or do you control it? Controlling TV requires firm resolve?including the willpower to turn it off.

    WT 1/15/92

    p. 28

    "Keep Yourself Free to Serve Jehovah." How is this done? By keeping free from pursuing worldly careers, time-consuming hobbies, and materialistic goals.

    WT 7/1/92 p

    28

    True, a certain level of secular education may be necessary to obtain employment. But in the time-consuming pursuit of advanced worldly education, some have harmed themselves spiritually.

    WT 12/15/92

    p. 15

    We cannot walk part of the time in the truth, giving merely token service but then pleasing ourselves by taking detours to indulge in excessive recreation or to enter on a time-consuming career

    WT 6/1/84 p 8

    Do I spend more time watching television, pursuing sports or doing other pleasurable but time-consuming things than I devote to God?s service?

    Kingdom Ministry 11/99

    p. 6

    Think, too, of the amount of time that it takes to keep up with a large quantity of E-mail. Interestingly, the book Data Smog stated: "As one spends more and more time online, e-mail quickly changes from being a stimulating novelty to a time-consuming burden, with dozens of messages to read and answer every day from colleagues, friends, family, . . . and unsolicited sales pitches."

    Family Book chap. 8 p. 101

    Social gatherings

    can also be a rewarding form of recreation. When they are well supervised and not outlandishly large or time-consuming, they can give your children more than just fun.

    Dedication to God

    is made willingly, not grudgingly, as if it entailed a huge sacrifice. Dedicated Christians agree with Paul, who said after he became a follower of Christ: "On account of [Jesus] I have taken the loss of all things and I consider them as a lot of refuse, that I may gain Christ." (Philippians 3:8) Paul gladly said no to things of little value so that he could continue to say yes to God.

    Paul exercised self-control in running his spiritual race

    and was finally able to say: "I have fought the fine fight, I have run the course to the finish, I have observed the faith. From this time on there is reserved for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will give me as a reward in that day, yet not only to me, but also to all those who have loved his manifestation." (2 Timothy 4:48) Will we someday be able to make a similar expression? We will if in faith we exercise self-control while running our Christian race without letup and through to completion.

    But what was Paul?s goa/rewardl? Everlasting life in heaven as one of the kings and priests ruling with Jesus. Is this article suggesting that is the goal of over 6,000,000 millions JWs?

    Self-Control to Do Good

    The Hebrew and Greek words translated "self-control" in the Bible literally denote that a person has power or control over himself. They often convey the thought of restraining oneself from doing bad. But it is obvious that a measure of self-control is also required if we are to use our bodies in doing good works. The natural tendency of imperfect humans is to do wrong, so we have a two-fold struggle. (Ecclesiastes 7:29; 8:11) While refraining from doing bad, we must also compel ourselves to do good. In fact, controlling our body in order to do good is one of the best ways to avoid doing bad.

    Clearly, self-control is vital if we are to follow through on our dedication to God. We need to pray as did David: "Create in me even a pure heart, O God, and put within me a new spirit, a steadfast one." (Psalm 51:10)

    (after having sex with Uriah?s wife then murdering him I would guess he needs a new heart/spirit) We can meditate on the benefits of avoiding things that are morally wrong or physically debilitating (David failed to mediate on those things) . Think of the possible harm of not avoiding such things: serious health problems, disturbed relationships, even premature death (Uriah and the "adulterine child" died prematurely!). On the other hand, think of the many benefits of holding to the way of life that Jehovah the WTS prescribes. Being realistic, however, we must not forget that our heart is treacherous. (Jeremiah 17:9) We must be resolute in resisting its attempts to downplay the seriousness of upholding Jehovah's the WTS standards.

    Most of us know from experience that the unwilling flesh often tries to extinguish the fire of a willing spirit. Take, for example, Kingdom preaching. Jehovah takes delight in the willingness of humans to participate in this life-giving work.

    (Psalm 110:3; Matthew 24:14) For most of us, learning to preach publicly did not come easy. It required-and perhaps still requires-that we control our body, "pummel" it and "lead it as a slave," instead of allowing it to dictate the course of least resistance.-1 Corinthians 9:16, 27; 1 Thessalonians 2:2.

    Translation: People are slacking off in the field service. Their "willing spirity" is being extinguished. Too many JWs are taking the path of least resistance, yes materialism is rearing its ugly head.

    "In All Things"?

    The Bible's counsel to exercise "self-control in all things" indicates that more is involved than just controlling our temper and refraining from immoral conduct. We may feel that we have achieved self-control in these areas, and if so, we can indeed be grateful. Yet, how about other areas of life in which the need for self-control may not be so obvious? To illustrate, suppose we live in a relatively affluent country with a high standard of living. Would it not be wise to learn to say no to unnecessary spending? Parents do well to teach their children not to buy whatever they see just because it is available, is appealing, or is financially within their reach. Of course, if such instruction is to be effective, parents must set the proper example.-Luke 10:38-42.

    Translation: Too many JWs are buying/building homes, buying new, fancy cars, getting their kids evil video games. They aren?t giving all their time and money to the WTS. What is "unnecessary spending"?

    WT 8/1/92 p 11

    However, it would be a serious mistake to allow oneself to be so involved with the fun and games of life, be they recreation, trips, gadgets, or even unnecessary pursuit of secular work, that one merely stands on the sidelines, so to speak, with no desire to increase one?s share in the disciple-making work or to reach out for spiritual advancement and responsibility.

    Learning to do without can strengthen our willpower

    . It can also enhance appreciation for the material things we possess and can make us more sympathetic toward those who must do without some things, not by choice, but out of necessity. True, a modest course runs counter to such popular attitudes as "be good to yourself" or "you deserve the best." The world of advertising promotes the desire for instant gratification, but it does so for the sake of its own commercial profit. This situation may impede our efforts to display self-control. A magazine (which one?why not cited) from a prosperous European land recently noted: "If keeping undesirable impulses under control requires an inner struggle on the part of those living under the agonizing circumstances of extreme poverty, how much more so is that true of those living in the land of milk and honey in today's affluent society!"

    (Spending) If we have difficulty distinguishing between what we want and what we truly need (as defined by the WTS), it might be helpful to take steps to ensure that we do not act irresponsibly.

    For example, if we desire to counteract a leaning toward uncontrolled spending, we may want to resolve not to buy on credit, or when shopping, we may take only a set amount of money. Recall that Paul said "godly devotion along with self-sufficiency" is "a means of great gain." He reasoned: "We have brought nothing into the world, and neither can we carry anything out. So, having sustenance and covering, we shall be content with these things." (1 Timothy 6:6-8) Are we? Learning to live a simple life, free of the excess baggage of self-indulgence-in whatever form-calls for willpower and self-control. It is, though, a lesson worth learning.

    (Meetings) Attending Christian meetings, assemblies, and conventions

    also involves a particular manifestation of self-control. For instance, that quality is necessary lest we let our mind wander during the program. (Proverbs 1:5) It may take self-control not to disturb others by whispering to our neighbors rather than giving the speaker our full attention. Adjusting our schedule so that we can arrive on time may require self-control. Further, self-control may be needed to set aside time to prepare for the meetings and then to participate in them. (The WTS treats its members like children)

    We can see what is important to the WTS. Why not discuss gossiping and slander, the active tongues of too many at the KH?

    (Small things) Exercising self-control in small things strengthens our ability to do so in larger matters

    . (guilt inducing) (Luke 16:10) Thus, how fine it is to discipline ourselves to read God's Word and Bible publications (always the Bible and the publications, reading the Bible alone is dangerous) regularly, studying them and meditating on what we learn! How wise it is to discipline ourselves concerning inappropriate jobs, friendships, attitudes, and personal habits or to discipline ourselves to say no to activities that could rob us of precious time for God's service! Staying busy in Jehovah's service is certainly a fine protection against things that could draw us away from the spiritual paradise of Jehovah's worldwide congregation.

    Become Full-Grown Through Self-Control

    A newborn infant is not noted for self-control

    . A pamphlet by experts in child behavior explains (which one...why no citation?) "Self-control does not happen automatically or suddenly. Infants and toddlers need parental guidance and support to begin the process of learning self-control.... With parents guiding the process, self-control increases throughout the school years." A study (what study was that?this one on marshmallow) of four-year-old children revealed that those who had learned to exercise a degree of self-control "generally grew up to be better adjusted, more popular, adventurous, confident and dependable teenagers." The ones who had not begun learning this lesson "were more likely to be lonely, easily frustrated and stubborn. They buckled under stress and shied away from challenges." Obviously, to become a well-adjusted adult, a child must learn to exercise self-control.

    http://www.daycare.com/fastfacts/discipline.html

    Daycare.com would like to thank American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry for this information in striving to make daycare and childcare a more productive and efficient service. You can contact them at: 3615 Wisconsin Ave., N.W., Washington, D.C. 20016-3007 voice: 202-966-7300 fax: 202-966-2891.

    The ability to delay gratification is a masterful skill, a triumph of the reasoning brain over the impulsive one, according to Daniel Goleman, Ph.D., who wrote the book, Emotional Intelligence (Bantam Books; 1995). The author concludes that people, who are able to exercise patience by delaying gratification, are more likely to succeed in life.

    Goleman documents a study that took place in the 1960's in which a researcher invited children into a plain room one by one and gives each young child a marshmallow. "You can have this marshmallow right now," he says, "but if you wait while I step out for a moment, you can have two marshmallows when I get back." And then he leaves.

    Apparently, some of the children grabbed for the marshmallow right way and some waited a few minutes before they finally caved into their temptation. But others were determined to wait. They covered their eyes, sang to themselves, put their heads down, played games or even fell asleep. They did whatever it took to hold out. When the researcher returned, he gave them their hard-earned second marshmallow.

    A survey of the children's parents and teachers found that those who, as four-year olds, had the ability to hold out for the second marshmallow generally grew up to be better adjusted, more popular, adventurous, confident and dependable teenagers. (2)

    (2) Nancy Gibbs, Time Magazine, (Time, Inc., Principal Office, Oct. 2, 1995) Vol. 146: No. 14. The EQ Factor, pp. 60-69. Information in the article is based on the book written by Harvard psychologist Daniel Goleman, Ph.D., Emotional Intelligence (Bantam, 1995).

    http://www.themoneyclinic.biz/psychology.html

    Likewise, if we are to become full-grown Christians, we must learn to manifest self-control. A lack of it indicates that we are still spiritual babes. The Bible admonishes us to "become full-grown in powers of under-standing." (1 Corinthians 14:20) Our goal is to "attain to the oneness in the faith and in the accurate knowledge of the Son of God, to a full-grown man, to the measure of stature that belongs to the fullness of the Christ." Why? "In order that we should no longer be babes, tossed about as by waves and carried hither and thither by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in contriving error." (Ephesians 4:13, 14) Clearly, learning to exercise self-control is vital to our spirituality.

    Who practice "trickery of men" and are "cunning in contriving error"?

    The end will come in 1914, 1925, 1975.

    The superior authorities are 1) 1889 secular governments, 2) 1929 Jesus and Jehovah 3) 1962 secular governments.

    Transplants are acceptable until 1967, 1967-1980 a disfellowshipping offense, 1980 a conscience matter.

    Will the people of Sodom and Gomorrah be resurrected?

    http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/sodom_gomorrah.htm

    Cultivating Self-Control

    To cultivate self-control, we need divine the WTS? help, and it is available. God's Word WTS publications, like a perfect mirror, shows us where we need to make personal changes, and it provides counsel on how to do so. (James 1:22-25) A loving brotherhood stands ready to offer help too. Christian elders show understanding in offering personal assistance. Jehovah himself gives freely of his holy spirit if we ask for it in prayer (but the elders have more?!) (Luke 11:13; Romans 8:26) Therefore, let us joyfully use these provisions. The suggestions on page 21 may help.

    How to Strengthen Self-Control (or the WTS 8-Step Plan to Help Pedophiles in the congregation)

    · Cultivate it even in little things

    · Meditate on its present and future benefits

    · Replace what God forbids with things that he encourages

    · Reject improper ideas immediately

    · Fill your mind with spiritually upbuilding thoughts

    · Accept the help that mature fellow Christians can give

    · Avoid compromising situations

    · Pray for God's help in times of temptation

    How comforting to know that Jehovah values our efforts when we try to please him his channel the WTS! This should motivate us to continue to strive for more self-control. Regardless of how often we may stumble, we must never give up in our efforts. "The righteous one may fall even seven times, and he will certainly get up." (Proverbs 24:16) Each time we score a victory, we have reason to be pleased with ourselves. We can also be sure that Jehovah is pleased with us. One Witness says that before dedicating his life to Jehovah, each time he was successful in refraining from smoking molesting a child for a week, he rewarded himself by buying something useful with the money self-control had helped him to
    (save on court costs).

    Above all, we should remember that self-control involves the mind and emotions. We can see this from Jesus' words: "Everyone that keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matthew 5:28; James 1:14, 15) He who has learned to control his mind and feelings will find it easier to control his whole body. Let us therefore strengthen our determination to avoid not only doing wrong but even thinking about it. Should wrong thoughts arise, reject them immediately. We can flee from temptation by prayerfully keeping our eyes fixed on Jesus
    .(not the WTS) (1 Timothy 6:11; 2 Timothy 2:22; Hebrews 4:15,16) As we do our best, we will be following the counsel of Psalm 55:22: "Throw your burden upon Jehovah himself, and he himself will sustain you. Never will he allow the righteous one to totter"

    Concluding Comments

    Self-control gets us what prize? The same one the apostle Paul was hoping for? Immortality in heaven with Jesus?

    And what must be controlled?

    TV

    Hobbies

    Career

    Sports

    Education

    Recreation

    Social Gatherings

    Shouldn?t the title have been: To Gain the Prize, Let the WTS Control You.

    Blondie (who will be sleeping in Sunday and reading the paper as she sips her coffee)
  • Mysterious
    Mysterious

    Once again a great job on the comments. It sure gives me something good to "meditate on" while mom is studying the WT with me for the meeting. I wonder if I can wind up sick before Sunday or maybe she'll forget (YEAH RIGHT!)

    I'm sure once again she'll use the "that is what some of you were" to raise the whole anti-gay agenda she likes to push. And of course my four year college plans will come under fire from being "time consuming". Along with all that time I "waste" on the computer.

    It's funny, I think I 'study' more on the way out than I ever did when I was strongly in..though I'm sure I'm studying with "the wrong attitude" and not "getting the sense [propoganda]" of the material properly.

  • fjtoth
    fjtoth
    Once again a great job on the comments.

    I agree!

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep
    But what was Paul?s goal/reward?

    I must ask Mrs Sheep that, as she heads out the door for the meeting.

  • Gadget
    Gadget

    TO WIN THE PRIZE,
    I thought that we were so unworthy that it is only by God's grace that we can get saved, so how come they talk about us being able to 'win the prize'? And self-control means something that we do ourselves, but if we don't do it then we are being childish... Just more mind control. Thanks Blondie.

  • Will Power
    Will Power

    Thanks Blondie, another great review, I'd love to add a quote to compliment this one.

    "In order that we should no longer be babes, tossed about as by waves and carried hither and thither by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in contriving error."

    WT Dec 1, 1981

    (this blurb is further enhanced with a rather large drawing of a tall ship with a zigzag diagram and the words "Tacking into the Wind")

    2"However, it may have seemed to some as though that path has not always gone straight forward. At times explanations given by Jehovah's visible organization have shown adjustments, seemingly to previous points of view. But this has not actually been the case. This might be compared to what is known in navigational circles as "tacking". By maneuvering the sails the sailors can cause a ship to go from right to left, back and forth, but all the time making progress toward their destination in spite of contrary winds. And that goal in view for Jehovah's servants is the "new heavens and a new earth" of God's promise."

    2 How may we regard periodic adjustments in viewpoint?

    Sounds like they need this tacking idea to even get close to their version of the gospel, too bad the bible warns against this "tactic"

    Will power

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    You can always follow that quote up with this one from WT Aug 1 1992.

    Seeing the strenuous efforts needed to succeed in the race for life, Paul went on to say: "Therefore, the way I am running is not uncertainly; the way I am directing my blows is so as not to be striking the air." (1 Corinthians 9:26) The word "uncertainly" literally means "unevidently" (Kingdom Interlinear), "unobserved, unmarked" (Lange?s Commentary). Hence, to run "not uncertainly" means that to every observer it should be very evident where the runner is heading. The Anchor Bible renders it "not on a zigzag course." If you saw a set of footprints that meanders up and down the beach, circles around now and then, and even goes backward at times, you would hardly think the person was running at all, let alone that he had any idea where he was heading. But if you saw a set of footprints that form a long, straight line, each footprint ahead of the previous one and all evenly spaced, you would conclude that the footprints belong to one who knows exactly where he is going.

  • Maverick
    Maverick

    Thank you again Blondie!

    The WTS is great about talking up the value of self control....as long as the RF are the ones who are controlled! Impose WTS for "self". And now one can see the TRUE PICTURE of their brand of faith! Maverick

  • heathen
    heathen

    I know we won't be hearing any of the comments made thus far at the meeting , they will be sitting there in full agreement ,quoting whatever the WTBTS has supplied within their publication . I can't believe they are discouraging hard work . The bible clearly says "all that your hands find to do , do it ." can't remember exactly where that is tho . You certainly can't expect people with families to be as active in the preaching work as single people . That makes about no sense . I would like to know how many of them abuse the welfare system so they can obey the org. I agree with those that state the path to righteousness is straight and narrow with none of this indecision and false conclusions . I don't even think they pray for the gift of prophesy which is supposed to be the most important . I don't think I coulda sat thru that meeting with any sort of feeling of being fed spiritual food.

  • blondie
    blondie

    Al salaam a'alaykum, mysterious,

    I'm sure once again she'll use the "that is what some of you were" to raise the whole anti-gay agenda she likes to push. And of course my four year college plans will come under fire from being "time consuming". Along with all that time I "waste" on the computer.
    It's funny, I think I 'study' more on the way out than I ever did when I was strongly in..though I'm sure I'm studying with "the wrong attitude" and not "getting the sense [propoganda]" of the material properly.

    Of course, you realize that this will not end just because you move out. You could ask here where she can apply this counsel in her own life. Does she live in a nice house, is she regular pioneering, does she buy nice clothes, does she watch TV, go to movies?Can't your dad act as a buffer. How does she treat him?

    I can?t say I study more, but I study differently since I stopped attending. I?m sure you are getting the meaning the WTS intended but are not letting them manipulate you.

    Merci Frank for the wonderful graphic

    "False self" takes me back to my college days. I also learned more at my ACOA meetings. We had a psych professor who attended regularly. All that knowledge and still she needed those ACOA meetings. It takes more than a college degree to separate us from the facades we learn at home or the KH.

    Tschuss Blacksheep (out since 1976 was it the 1975 debacle?)

    I must ask Mrs Sheep that, as she heads out the door for the meeting.

    Unfortunately, she will miss the nuance between Paul?s heavenly hope and the fact that this article is aimed at the over 6,000,000 who are constantly being reminded they only have the heavenly hope.

    Hola Gadget,

    I thought that we were so unworthy that it is only by God's grace that we can get saved, so how come they talk about us being able to 'win the prize'?

    It?s control, control, control. JWs must go through God?s channel, do what it says, not Jesus but the WTS.

    Guten Morgen

    , Will Power
    At times explanations given by Jehovah's visible organization have shown adjustments, seemingly to previous points of view. But this has not actually been the case.

    Right!!!!

    Superior authorities

    1. Secular governments
    1. Jehovah and Jesus
    1. Secular governments

    "Seemingly" my foot!

    Tschuss

    again, Black Sheep
    If you saw a set of footprints that meanders up and down the beach, circles around now and then, and even goes backward at times, you would hardly think the person was running at all, let alone that he had any idea where he was heading. But if you saw a set of footprints that form a long, straight line, each footprint ahead of the previous one and all evenly spaced, you would conclude that the footprints belong to one who knows exactly where he is going.

    This is a wonderful example of how the WTS uses doublespeak, or a phrase of mine, "speaks out of both sides of their mouth."

    Howdy, Maverick,

    The WTS is great about talking up the value of self control....as long as the RF are the ones who are controlled!

    I remember being at Bethel to pickup a sister. I walked into her office just in time to hear her "boss" scream at her in front of the whole office. Her boss was 25 and she was 54 and married. She ran out in tears and I called her husband. They almost left other this but the husband was too important to the WTS so they reassigned her. Her "boss" never apologized to her. Where was his self-control? This was not the first time he had "abused" his staff. This was one of many incidents that convinced me that "holiness" did not dwell at Bethel.

    Zdravstvuite, Heathen,

    You certainly can't expect people with families to be as active in the preaching work as single people . That makes about no sense . I would like to know how many of them abuse the welfare system so they can obey the org.

    Well, the WTS can always find a way to guilt people, for example, the sister with an abusive non-JW husband and six children who has been regular pioneering for 5 years. The ones I know that abuse the welfare system, don?t pioneer either. It is harder to abuse the welfare system nowadays, at least in my area.

    GREAT comments, folks.

    Blondie

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