Is Jesus Christ, Jehovah God? (Not the Father, but Equal to the Father)

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  • cofty
    cofty
    So cofty are you prepared to conceed that the scriptures stating that Jesus has a “God” do not necessarily disprove him from also being fully God - Hooby

    No I'm not at all. Your 'explanation' rests on a logical contradiction that compounds the problem. I'm putting that to one side for a moment to investigate the implications of the resurrected, exalted Jesus' status as fully human.

    My questions about the physical humanity of Jesus were NOT rhetorical.

    While on earth Jesus breathed, ate, drank and defecated. So if Jesus is still fully human, does God the Son shit?

  • hooberus
    hooberus
    No I'm not at all. Your 'explanation' rests on a logical contradiction that compounds the problem.

    What “logical contradiction”?

  • 2+2=5
    2+2=5
    What “logical contradiction”?

    The one where Jesus is equal to God.... but still requires a sanitation system for his holy shit.

  • Steel
    Steel

    So who was Moses speaking to in the burning Bush.

  • cofty
    cofty
    What “logical contradiction”? - Hooby

    That Jesus is fully God and yet also fully human and as such he is in submission to his God and yet he too is unequivocally God Almighty and above all things (apart from his God).

    That contradiction.


  • Steel
    Steel
    Why is the idea of the creator stepping into his creation such a hard concept for you.
  • johnamos
    johnamos

    Looking to an future event:


    [Revelation 6:16 And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rock-masses: “Fall over us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”]

  • cofty
    cofty

    That's not the topic Steel. Do you even take time to read the things the other person writes in a conversation before you type?

    Please click this link, it is my last reply to you, which you have ignored.

  • pale.emperor
    pale.emperor

    Why is the idea of the creator stepping into his creation such a hard concept for you.

    You mean like Bert, Mary Poppins and the children jumping into his chalk pavement picture? Yeah totally believable.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy7XEMeBROQ

  • Half banana
    Half banana

    Like most of the Bible we are dealing with sacred fictions. The question we could ask is why should there be such conflict regarding the identity and substance of an almighty God and his son?

    There is no possible way to verify dogma or doctrines determined by votes, there are no facts available to resolve contradictory mental constructs. This subject incidentally is in turn drawn from even earlier mythology, in this instance sun gods and their sons being the "exact representation of their very being".

    Therefore when faced with the impossibility of knowing anything factual about an almighty God, all we can do as Ehrman does (in Cofty's youtube submission, "Evolution of Jesus in early Christianity") is to trace the development of the myths and religious doctrine giving a date and a sociological snapshot of the milieu in which the concepts took root.

    Btw, did anyone note how Ehrman speaks here in the "messianic" style of Fred Franz, with the same high pitch for almost half of his talk and going higher still at the paradoxical high points? The only differences being that Ehrman uses a critical analysis of his material and speaks faster than Franz did.

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