Arnold Schwarzenegger Movie Can Help Witnesses See Truth

by hooberus 24 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  City Fan

  Great points hooberus

  The watchtower does not really teach a resurrection hope, but instead teaches that those who die before armageddon will remain in their graves, dead, rotting, forever. They will simply be replaced (like in the movie) with "blank" human bodies stamped with a copy of the witness memory pattern.

  That puts into words exactly what I've always thought the WTS resurrection doctrine really means. In my view the only way a bodily resurrection can work is if there is a soul/spirit that continues after death that can be put back into a re-created body. Otherwise it is simply a clone of the original.

  CF.
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  archangel01

  If the JW's don't Change an come to the Real Jesus of scripture and be washed in the Blood of Christ an get Born-Again by accepting Jesus as there Personal Lord & Savior . Then when all the JW's stand before the Great White Throne on Judgement day Jesus might say "No Recall Your All Terminated!"
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  Abaddon

  Sometimes there are moments, when people compare plotlines of films to religious mythologies, that I have a sense of overwhelming contentment and happiness...

  archangel01:

  If the JW's don't Change an come to the Real Jesus of scripture and be washed in the Blood of Christ an get Born-Again by accepting Jesus as there Personal Lord & Savior . Then when all the JW's stand before the Great White Throne on Judgement day Jesus might say "No Recall Your All Terminated

  Your belief that the size of the font you use makes a difference to the impact of what you say and your rather slapdash approach to capitalisation, spelling and grammar are things that make me love you deeply with great joy. Nothing like condeming millions of people to death in a religious fantasy (in which you presumably watch) when you can't construct a sentence. Bless you for shedding a little ray of light my way, my faith in god and his followers is restored.

  Now, I wonder whether Jesus would think a man judging and condemning millions was better or worse than one being a sarcastic bastard? That is a serious question.
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  Englishman

  I seem to recall the Q arising when I was a dub and the answer given was that Jehovah would reassemble the person from the same ashes and dust that the corpse had become.

  Now then, we sprinkled my father in laws ashes into The Solent, so that could be a tricky one.

  Englishman.
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  Oxnard Hamster

  The JW doctrine is wrong in this case because they don't believe in the immortality of the soul. But what if we really do have a soul that is still preserved after death? Then it would be the real us, and not some clone. Just a thought.
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  gumby

  Now, I wonder whether Jesus would think a man judging and condemning millions was better or worse than one being a sarcastic bastard? That is a serious question.

  Abaddon,

  Jesus hates sarcastic bastards worse than anything....so you better shape up ya damn smartass!

  Hey dude.....your above words gave me a new reason to live. I can live happy knowing I can speak my mind, ..... and........ I will have the company of judgemental christians while I suffer in eternal torments.

  Gumby
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  peacefulpete

  The reuniting of an immortal soul with a recreated physical body was exactly Zoroatrian doctrine. It was from them that the Hebrews developed their teaching of resurrection. Previously a more vague hope of living again in Sheol or back on Earth had been part of the very early Baal theology. The also entertained the Reincarnation idea during the time of Jesus as is born out in verses in the NT that assumed a reincarnated Elijah, Jeremiah,etc was possible.
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  gumby

  Pete,

  Have you any idea how hard it is to grasp your deep thoughts this early in the morning before having at least a gallon of coffee first!.

  Gumby
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  Spudinator

  A decent rebuttal to this thread can be found at:

  http://www.e-watchman.com/mailbag/mailbag_oct5_2003.html
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  hooberus

  The e-watchman arcticle ignores the fact that all of the resurrections in the Bible were bodily (ie. Lazarus)

  The arcticle bases some of its arguments on the societies "spirit resurrection of Jesus" doctrine which is false. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/51559/1.ashx

  The arcticle uses the societies "we are all going through a gradual change" argument. Those who were doing the cloning in the Schwarzenegger movie could have said the same thing to convince people that their cloned loved ones were really "the same person."

  From a human standpoint, if we think about it, none of us are the same people we were in the past. Think back ten years; twenty years; look at an old childhood photo of yourself. Do you look the same? Do you think and act as you did when you were younger? Probably not. For better or worse, we all gradually change. Scientists say after seven years there is not even so much as one molecule left of our previous self because of the process of cellular regeneration. So, what makes us who we are? It is hard to say exactly. But, we can say that as long as we recognize ourselves and others, and have some continuity with our past by means of a memory, we are the same person.

  The arcticle ends with this statement:

  But, if Jehovah can create life from the inanimate dust and infuse his own mental capabilities into us, it should not be any challenge for him to re-create persons that have already existed and who have left an impression of themselves in Jehovah's own all-knowing and unfathomable mind.