Arnold Schwarzenegger Movie Can Help Witnesses See Truth

by hooberus 24 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  hooberus

  On my first post on this thread I said."Get the movie, find the sequence, and show the sequence to a witness. Ask if the person was really resurrected or merely copied. Ask if the original person who died was really "resurrected". Ask if the original person could really have eternal life on earth in this way."

  There are actually several sequences in the movie where this is done though most of the time the sequences are not completely descriptive. The first one dealing with pets is the most descriptive.

  A person could also print out the arcticle below, discuss the movie and cloning with the witness (the below arcticle will work with witnesses who won't watch the movie or sections of it).

  1. Get the witness to first admit that the clone was not really the same person despite what the cloners said. 2. Then compare the below arcticle with the awake. 3. Then go to places such as Isaiah 26:19 and show the real Bible teaching.

  http://www.cinema.com/article/item.phtml?ID=515

  Replacement Technologies clone humans. They use blanks- human life form stripped of all DNA which are stored in embryonic tanks, a mind scan which collects all memories, thoughts and characteristics and a sample of the DNA make up is taken from the real life person and imputed into the blank - this creates a direct replica of the human being. This entire world is top secret with some of the most powerful people in society being clones; the future of Replacement Technologies is under threat if the secret ever gets out. Movie review of "The Sixth Day"

  "In the resurrection God makes a blank record, a human body, and then stamps on its brain the life pattern he has recorded. Upon giving life to that body the result is an individual that will recognize himself and will be recognized by others as having previously existed." Awake September 22, 1955 p. 7.

  "Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead." Isaiah 26:19 KJV
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  Leolaia

  Then when all the JW's stand before the Great White Throne on Judgement day Jesus might say "No Recall Your All Terminated!"

  Oh, what a "Raw Deal" (1987).

  Leolaia
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  Leolaia

  I seem to recall the Q arising when I was a dub and the answer given was that Jehovah would reassemble the person from the same ashes and dust that the corpse had become.

  No, I think that is the traditional resurrection belief, that the former body is reconsituted. I recall the Society always argued that the body cannot be reconstituted because it has become incorporated into other living things. They viewed the body as a completely new recreation (necessitating a quasi-docetist belief regarding Jesus' post-resurrection appearances).

  Leolaia
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  peacefulpete

  Brilliant reasoning, citing one ludicrous idea as proof that a second ludicrous idea is also true. Besides the ewathman article assumes that the Peter verse means what the JWs say it does. Actually there are many that word the verse as "being made alive by the Spirit." this allows for an early christian tradition that Jesus was raised to life as a human who later ascended. This explains the extensive proofs of physical body offered in the NT that Hooberus and JCannon have posted. While quite familiar and accepting of the immortal soul teaching, it seems to primative Christians that a body was needed to prove a resurrection. Others including early Gnostic christians understood the whole resurrection motif as allegorical of having conquered death thru divine knowledge, they too used this very verse to support their interpretation. Bishop Spong suggests this was the original meaning of the story.
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  Leolaia

  The e-watchman reply completely side-steps the clone/duplication issue. Apparently, e-watchman seems to think that by arguing that even in life we are lack total physical continuity with our bodies, that somehow accounts for the discontinuity that death brings between life and recreation --- never addressing the fact that in life, even according to WT doctrine, there is no discontinuity in spirit. The WT doctrine denies any continuity, either in body or spirit, between the original person and the recreated person.

  Leolaia