Staying in physically for all the benefits

by Indoubtbigtime 170 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  ThomasCovenant

  PIMO's in congregations add to the peer pressure on younger people and children that are growing up in the WT to think that the JW religion must be correct.

  Otherwise why would Uncle Indoubtbigtime and Uncle Thomas Covenant still be going to meetings and joining in the religion?

  Then one day, Little Johnny may need a blood transfusion. Well, Uncle Thomas Covenant believes it and so does Uncle Indoubtbigtime. Why would they be 'in' the religion if not?

  All the other ''physically in's'' must believe it too surely, (Little Johnny doesn't realize they are ''mentally out'', how could he?

  If Little Johnny dies from not having a blood transfusion, then Uncle Thomas Covenant and Uncle Indoubtbigtime can be ashamed of themselves.

  I was PIMO for most, if not all of my time, in the Witness religion , having been brought up in it.

  But we sure did have a good social life, with or without Little Johnny.
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  enoughisenough

  ThomasCovenant makes a good point as far as I am concerned. If all the PIMOs would do a big walk out so to speak, it would shake things up and make others wonder and perhaps question why and once they understood, they also would leave. People have to do what it takes to survive mentally, as well as physically. They know when they can't do it anymore.
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  Gorb

  In 2008 I becane pomo because I couldn't stand what I had to hear / study dringend the congregational garnering.

  95% of statements was bullshit and made up.

  Enough was enough!!

  Since then I feel better then ever.

  G.
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  Disillusioned JW

  Indoubtbigtime, regarding your comment about a total eclipse of the sun by the moon on page 2 of this topic thread, scientists say the moon used to be much closer to the Earth - and they say it is continuing to move farther away from the Earth. The leading scientific theory says the material of the moon came from a collision of a Mars-sized planet impacting the Earth nearly 4.5 billion years ago. There are numerous scientific sources for this. Two such sources are https://www.space.com/19275-moon-formation.html and https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/moons/earths-moon/in-depth/#:~:text=Formation-,Formation,miles%20(384%2C000%20kilometers)%20away. . The latter says in part the following.

  "The Moon is slowly moving away from Earth, getting about an inch farther away each year. ...

  Formation

  The leading theory of the Moon's origin is that a Mars-sized body collided with Earth about 4.5 billion years ago. The resulting debris from both Earth and the impactor accumulated to form our natural satellite 239,000 miles (384,000 kilometers) away. The newly formed Moon was in a molten state, but within about 100 million years, most of the global "magma ocean" had crystallized, with less-dense rocks floating upward and eventually forming the lunar crust."

  Please reconsider evolution (not just biological evolution, but also cosmological evolution and even chemical evolution). Please examine the evidence and arguments which evolutionist scientists present for it (them).

  Regarding being PIMO please read https://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/watchtower-society-and-mind-control since what it is says is very relevant.
  
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  enoughisenough

  "We ask members of Jehovah’s Witnesses to consider one more statement found in a Watchtower Society publication: "Knowing these things, what will you do? It is obvious that the true God, who is himself "the God of truth" and who hates lies, will not look with favor on persons who cling to organizations that teach falsehood. . . . And really, would you want to be even associated with a religion that had not been honest with you?9" --copied and pasted from the article linked above
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  Disillusioned JW

  Thanks enoughisenough for posting that quote of the article I linked to, which in turn was quoting from the WT book called The Truth that leads to Eternal Life (first published in 1968). That WT book is the primary (or at least probably the most recent) WT Bible study doctrinal book I studied (with my JW father conducting the study with my sister and I) before I became baptized as a JW. I was baptized before the Live Forever book was published. Truth matters to me and I thus hate lies and I hate those who lie to me. When I learned certain truths about the WT and its JW religion I thus stopped clinging to the WT's JW religion and became an independent minded Christian. [Later when I learned that Bible is not God's word, I stopped believing in Jehovah, Jesus, Satan, angels, demons, and the supernatural.]

  I wish I could officially quit the JW religion (by means of a Disassociation letter) without loosing my mother and sister (the only close family mine who are still alive, and they are devout JWs). However, by the WT's definition I am now unofficially disassociated. That is because while at the hospital in November 2022 I accepted two transfusions (450 cc/ml each) of packed red blood cells and while in the hospital in December 2022 I accepted one transfusion of packed red bloods cells, but no JW (including no JW elder) knows for sure I received such. [You folks reading this post know that I received them, except you don't know my real name.] My told me not to tell her what I received while at the hospital. She also told me she is very happy I am alive and feeling well.
  
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  peacefulpete

  PIMOs, I bet your families are aware of what you think is concealed. They probably talk about it among themselves and with Elders. They may not want to press the issue for fear of losing you. Sometimes silence is best, but lying and pretending corrodes trust and intimacy, and isn't that why we have relationships?
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  Disillusioned JW

  I agree that the families are probably aware of what the PIMOs think are concealed, at least in regards to some matters, but in many cases the families probably don't know for sure.
  
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  Indoubtbigtime

  Disillusioned JW9 hours ago

  Indoubtbigtime, regarding your comment about a total eclipse of the sun by the moon on page 2 of this topic thread, scientists say the moon used to be much closer to the Earth - and they say it is continuing to move farther away from the Earth. The leading scientific theory says the material of the moon came from a collision of a Mars-sized planet impacting the Earth nearly 4.5 billion years ago. There are numerous scientific sources for this. Two such sources are

  
  

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  This does not explain how they could be exactly the same size from our point of view? Are you saying it’s a coincidence that this time in history they match up perfectly and soon they won’t anymore? I’m sorry but I don’t buy it. Those same ‘experts’ telling you that thought we evolved and everything started by chance. There is no way it’s a coincidence that the total eclipse I saw matched perfectly
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  Indoubtbigtime

  I’m sitting on the fence yes lukewarm just as Jesus said not be when it comes to the governing body teachings.

  but I’m not sitting on the fence when it comes to the origin of the universe I believe in intelligent design

  I just can’t see the universe came about by chance, the total eclipse matching up precisely is only one little proof of intelligent design there are loads of others.

  plus the missing link to prove the evolution theory still hasn’t been found

  so if the universe didn’t start by chance and intelligent design was involved did the intelligent designer write the Bible? I’m sitting on the fence on that one

  If the intelligent designer is called God then what has he got in store for the Earth? Maybe something along the lines of what the Bible says but I don’t think the JWs are correct about much at all really

  but for now it’s very interesting going to meetings and studying the Bible with an open mind and thinking for yourself and questioning everything