by logansrun 51 Replies latest watchtower bible
It's not just the Micro, it's getting into everything.
I used to be able to work on my cars, but these days, with electronic ignition, etc., it's getting so I daren't open the hood!!!
You wave the magic wand (key) and the metal beast roars into life, transporting you to new worlds...
(but enough of my miserably deficiant sex-life...)
LT,
That's the most laughable argument against science I've ever seen! "Since I can't explain how a microwave works, well by wonkers it must be the spirits who make it work!" Come on!
Microwaves -- and the universe -- works for purely naturalistic reasons.
B.
You're missing my point entirely...
I wasn't arguing for the "magic of microwaves", or the lack thereof. It's just that people have made a god of science and technology, and it is becoming the new "magic" of the age.
People are becoming less interested in how things work, as long as they can wave the magic wand and they work.
You and I, and many others around here, are becoming a dying breed...
Simon has become the great high priest of JWD, since he can still work the magic (well - most of the time )
People are becoming less interested in how things work
I see what you're saying.... but I don't think I agree completely. It's not that people are less interested; it's that things are getting more and more complex.
So where does the problem lie? With science or the stupid and lazy majority?
B.
Watson:Agreed, but what's the natural reaction of humans when things become too complex to comprehend beyond the general principles? Don't they just switch off? Don't they just assign it the god-factor?
If it doesn't work, then some "priest of mechanics" will come along and make it all better, even if it turns out that it was merely a loose wire or a blow fuse.
Bradley:There's a problem?
I never said it was a problem, just a reality...
You'll note that I'm not arguing against science (I actually love the subject, and it's many diverse disciplines).
Those who place their gifts on the altar of the god of science may reject the philosophy which is "God", but that doesn't mean that He doesn't exist.
Maybe the ancient phrase "so mote it be" should be updated to "so note it be"!
Btw, it's good to be back
So where does the blame for the moral failures of the world lie? With the God who made morality? Or the stupid and lazy majority that refuse to follow the instructions?
CZAR
Does anyone believe that god exists, but should be ignored?
To explain, let's say that the great majority of people COMPLETELY ignore god. Humans will most likely organize to survive and survive.
A question: Will a world ignorant of god be more "violent", "immoral", or "evil" than it is at present? (words in quotes because of the relativity of definition)
Also, people are not necessarily lazy and stupid, but it is essentially unnecessary for survival to understand how things work. If survival required the understanding of the complexity of a microwave, people would learn it.
For example, the Native Americans of the Great Plains understood the details concerning the migratory patterns of the buffalo because it meant surviving. In the early 21st century we don't need that information to survive, but if it meant our survival, we would learn it.
To say that people are becoming less interested in how things work is invalid.
To say that things are becoming more and more complex is only partially true. Yes, the technology is complex, but survival is actually simpler in many ways. Accessing food, clothing, and shelter is easy. We don't have to hunt and skin animals and use every part of the animal to survive. We don't have to make our own clothing or build our own residence. So, eventhough the technology of things is more complex, the necessity of understanding those things is virtually meaningless.
By the way, I feel that the majority of people are lazy and stupid. Like the people who explain things by saying god did it or because the bible says it.
science cannot provide morals, and morals cannot provide science. Therefore, scientific knowledge, or the lack thereof, does not prove or disprove the notion of God as benevolent completely - it merely explains a function of our universe. Neither does morality, or the absence thereof, prove or disprove the notion of God as Creator. You can only use morality or its lack to prove or disprove God's benevolence. You can likewise only use science to prove or disprove God's creative input.
Science indeed must avoid moralizing if it is too remain science. Such value judgements belong in the general public domain using sensitivities, instinct, and experience. Science can inform us of the facts that relate to human behavior and it's consequences, yet the facts do not determine our opinions about what is the best way to act. And yes the findings of science can not tell us about the character of a nebulous God whose existance has not been demonstrated. It can however challenge the particulars (this happened then that happened) of the model of God's activity offered in modern Creationist theology.
czar,
So where does the blame for the moral failures of the world lie? With the God who made morality? Or the stupid and lazy majority that refuse to follow the instructions?
Please, and I am not trying to be a smart alec, define "morality" and give me examples of a moral conduct.
If the Judeo-Christian-God is an example of a moral conduct, would anyone doing what he did, be considered a moral person?
