Also SA is having to import food because many of the appropriated farms are left fallow (I've read up to 90%) SA once grew all its own food.
According to South African sources, the country's agricultural exports in 2024 reached a record high.
Why do they want to kill all the White People?
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Rivergang
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TD
I thought they were experiencing significant drought (?)
South African Agriculture Faces Severe Decline Amid Economic Contraction – Agribook Digital
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Earnest
Diogenesister
I have always found you well-informed and a pleasure to read. The British are usually better informed about South Africa than other nationalities as it used to be a colony before 1910. As far as early South African history goes, prior to the arrival of the Europeans or the Nguni, there were two related peoples who, it is thought, came down the west coast of Africa to settle in what is now Namibia and the Northern Cape. They were hunter-gatherers, commonly known as Bushmen but more correctly as San. Some of these San became farmers over time, and with the extra milk and meat their physique changed and they moved further south, down into the Cape area, and were commonly known as Hottentots but more correctly as Khoisan. So the Khoisan were San with a better diet. The Khoisan were not driven out, but assimilated with the settlers and eventually became what is known as the Cape coloureds, although as I previously said there were also other races involved in that assimilation. The San, the hunter-gatherers, were viewed as thieves and were hunted down like animals. Disease introduced by Europeans also decimated them, as it did the indigenous population in South America. Only pockets of them remained in Namibia and the Northern Cape, but even so their hunter-gatherer life was largely at an end as government expected them live in houses and have their children "educated". This resulted in high rates of alcoholism and petty crime. It has been a sad end to a romanticised way of life.
Mark Twain wrote that there are "lies, damned lies, and statistics". You say that white farmers make up (0.066 of the population) and that they are 1500% more likely to be murdered. Rather than swop statistics (like swopping scriptures in a trinity debate) I would just question that if farmers are 1500% more likely to be murdered ... more likely than who? The average South African? The average white South African? The average white South African owning significant property? The average white South African owning significant property and living in isolated areas? I hope you get my point. In actual fact, the people most likely to be killed in South Africa are young black men who live in informal settlements in urban areas (see Institute for Security Studies, National Injury Mortality Surveillance System, British Medical Journal Global Health). But you don't usually see those deaths in the media. They are just too common to make the news. But anyone, black or white, owning significant property and living in an isolated area will be a target for criminals.
You asked why I left. My father came from London and all my life I heard about how wonderful England was. My heroes were Drake and Nelson and Churchill. I loved playing Monopoly and seeing all the London place-names. I came here because I loved England before I had seen it. It had nothing to do with politics or crime or even apartheid. I just loved England and had to see it.
Diogenesister : For others :the whites are 7% of the population and own 22% of the land
For those interested in land ownership, the most up-to-date Land Audit report (2017) can be read here. It says (p.2) :
The Land Audit reveals that Whites own 26 663 144 ha or 72% of the total 37 031 283 ha farms and agricultural holdings by individual landowners; followed by Coloured at 5 371 383 ha or 15%, Indians at 2 031 790 ha or 5%, Africans at 1 314 873 ha or 4%, other at 1 271 562 ha or 3%, and co-owners at 425 537 ha or 1%.
However, I would strongly recommend this 2025 article to anyone interested. It both updates and puts the report in context. Otherwise I would correctly be accused of lies, damned lies and statistics.
TD : I thought they were experiencing significant drought (?)
I am not in a position to judge which of the two reports are correct, although I note that the African Farming report is more recent. But I can tell you that this year (2025) has been marked by floods in many parts of the country. Of course that is no good for agriculture either but I am just saying that whatever drought there was is over. Of course the more recent implementation of tariffs will affect the American market for South African agriculture and that will affect exports more than drought or flood if they continue.
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liam
Here is what happened a few days ago. Trump humiliated the President of South Africa, by exposing to the Whole World what was happening to white people in Africa. The President of Africa had no idea what was going on, according to him.
The News media attacked Trump for exposing what was happening.
You might want to read some of the comments from people that live there Today, not in the past. They will verify what Trump said is true.
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Rivergang
TD
You will notice that the opening paragraph in that article in African Farming acknowledges this, and reads as follows:
"In 2024, despite poor grain and oilseed harvests, South Africa’s agricultural exports set a new record of $13.7 billion (about R253 billion)."
(Emphasis mine)
And as Earnest noted, that drought they had is now well and truly over. (Either a drought or a flood - sounds a bit like Australia!)
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Anony Mous
There are two competing things going on in SA: farm yields are dropping significantly since the 90s because of the government racist land transfer policy.
Note that on one hand this is decried in the news media as a sign of ‘white privilege’, when land is transferred to unprepared black farmers and the massive government subsidies not being enough to sustain some 20-year old with a business college degree, a dream of but no experience in farming, simultaneously holding in other articles that race based land confiscation doesn’t actually happen.
However SA was a huge exporter across Africa both because similar policies in other countries killed their farms with communist/socialist policy generally ending in dictatorships and war. Now that supply is under pressure, prices skyrocket. So yes, they make more money off less food. That will be the case until they cannot sustain themselves anymore, which is fast approaching, with some areas already seeing food shortages.
On the other hand, the UN and even the US has pumped billions of dollars over the years to maintain the lie that the SA land transfer program has been a success, so the west (look up Gates and Soros foundations investments into ‘One Africa’) is investing in quick return products just to drive the SA government into more investment, which brings short term yields (anyone with a million dollar grant can get 1-2 years of intensive non-food crops like seed oils before the land becomes depleted) but long term damages.
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TD
Earnest would obviously know much more about it than me, but living in an arid climate myself, I have a couple observations
Drought recovery is gauged in reservoir capacity vegetation health and soil moisture levels and not by seasonal flooding, which is actually a common problem in drought stricken areas. (Because excessively dry soil doesn't hold onto the water like it should)
In a similar vein, measuring agricultural output in dollars, is not necessarily accurate, as high food prices typically go hand in hand with drought. (If there is another way to reconcile the apparent contradiction between the two articles, I'm not sure what it would be.)
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DATA-DOG
Non-Whites have historically murdered and participated in the Slave Trade more than “Whites” could ever imagine.
South African Farmers should come here. Please, team up with the Amish so we can kick Bill Gates and China TF out of our Farmland.
Let Africa be Africa. Seriously, just forget it even exists. Maybe in 500 years they will reach the US by raft.
DD
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Earnest
TD : Earnest would obviously know much more about it than me ...
On the matter of agriculture, I doubt it. We can all read the same reports, and I think your conclusion that both reports have some truth is likely correct. All I can contribute is that drought and floods are a regular occurrence in South Africa, although obviously some years are worse than others. South Africa is a large country with diverse climates, and so you could have a drought in the Free State which affected maize yields and at the same time the vineyards in the Cape might be thriving.
There is a IFRC (Red Cross) report on the recent flooding here.