Let's all play a game! What does this passage of the Bible tell us about Jehovah?

by stuckinarut2 28 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • stillin
    stillin

    Jehovah had laws for the nation of Israel, but they were inconsistently enforced. David should have been stoned to death for his liaison with The bathing lady. If Jehovah always preferred that there should be one husband and one wife, why didn't He say so? Why were there false prophets? Who could say which was which? Did people have to die before they realized that it was a false prophet?

    Being an animal enthusiast, what was killing animals at the temple really about? Could there not have been some better way to show your love for God?

    Then there was Deborah.... hmmmm.

    Was it fair to confuse the languages? Might things have gone a little better if we all spoke the same language?

    Why heal Naaman? While his people are holding Israelites in servitude. If you want to give a witness for yourself, free your people miraculously.

    unleash Satan among helpless mortals? All we can do is resist being affected by the Resister? This is getting awfully convoluted.

    Entire populations of people who have no clue about Jehovah or Christianity except for whatever they might hear on the news, and that only for the last hundred years or so? Yet it is a matter of "life and death?"

    Sorry, I didn't quote any scriptures, but can you see where I'm coming from?

  • freddo
    freddo

    Judges Chapters 19 through 21 ...

    ... with raped and chopped up concubines, virgin daughters offered to the baying mob (yawn - again?), Israelites killing Benjaminites but not being enough death to satisfy bloodthirsty Yahweh so he let's the Benjaminites kill the Israelites a bit too.

    What do I learn about the Old Testament desert God from this? He is a murderous narcissistic fruitloop.

    If I got through Armageddy I'd last about a week before I upset his sorry ass and got zapped.

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel
    Pete Zahut » According to the Bible, god decided to purposely curse all of future mankind based on what Adam and Eve did, rather than to either forgive them or kill them off before they had any children.

    According to some religions, the fall of Adam and Eve was carefully planned. God never intended that man should live in a garden, forever stupid. It was imperative that man fell and that it be Adam and Eve's doing. In the Garden, man was not capable of becoming like God. Only through the fall could man gain the knowledge of good and evil. He also had to become subject to death because if he became immortal in that state, he would be cursed to an eternity with a body not capable of channeling the glory he could in a resurrected body. As Father Kallistos Ware wrote in The Orthodox Way, "God became man so that man could become God." The apostle John wrote: "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

    Doubtfull1799 » I HAVE taken courses in OT theology and it doesn't change the fact that God did not always warn people before destroying or king them - remember Uzzah for example? 2 Sam 6:7.

    Yes, I remember Uzzah. And he knew the restrictions against handling the ark, something only the priests were permitted to do. He and the other escorts had been duly warned about this restriction and the people then had become lax. Also, you don't know what was in Uzzah's mind or his heart. God did.

    One scholar writes: "In all the excitement connected with the moving of the Ark to Jerusalem, the Levite priests make a serious procedural mistake. Sever hundred years of apostasy had so cluttered the pattern of ritual that they did not even remember how the Ark was to be carried. Instead of having certain priests carry the Ark on their shoulders, as required by the Lord, the sacred structure was put upon a 'new cart' drawn by oxen. Apparently David did not know an error of ritual had occurred. We conclude this from the fact that he later placed the blame for what happened on the shoulders of the priests themselves." He concludes: "Apparently the Lord saw an opportunity to impress these people in a sudden and dramatic way that sacred patterns laid down by divine revelations should be respected and carefully followed. These were harsh days and the 'schoolmaster' law was enjoined upon the people with severe strictness calculated to serve as sort of a yoke to bind them to righteousness. God's purpose was not to shackle them but teach them a rhythm of obedience."

    Again, you have to know what was in everyone's mind and what the situation was. In the end, though, we'll see it was just.

    Regarding the others that were killed, as mentioned by Tor, we also have to remember that they don't cease to exist (as the JWs teach). Their spirits continue to live even though their bodies return to the dust. As mortals, we don't have the right to take life at our own discretion. In David's case, he killed so wantonly that the Lord kept him from building the temple and gave that honor to his son, Solomon.

  • Island Man
    Island Man

    There's a scripture in James, I believe, that goes something like this:

    'If anyone sees his brother in need and has the means to help him but does not - the love of God does not remain in him.'

    What does this tell us about God? Well God is able to see all who are in need and he certainly has the means to help them all, yet he does not. This tells us that the god of the bible is a monumental hypocrite who does not have the love of himself in himself. He condemns humans for not helping their fellow human in need, yet he can help everyone with less effort than it takes a human to snap their finger, and yet he does not do it. Such behavior on his part is very reminiscent of Jesus' words about the pharisees binding up heavy loads on the people while they themselves are not willing to budge them with their finger.

    There is another text in the NT where it mentions the qualifications for elders and it says that if a man does not have children in subjection then he is unfit to serve as an overseer in the congregation because if he can't manage his own household then cannot manage the household of god. This scripture again highlights the hypocrisy of the god of the bible. The bible shows that god cannot manage his own household because a third of the angels rebelled against his authority.

    Time would fail me if I go on to enumerate how the god of the bible, while claiming to be the epitome of love, fails to live up to the definition of love given by Paul in Corinthians 13.

    It's very interesting how a so-called perfect god cannot or will not live up to the scriptural principles that he expects his imperfect human creation to live up to.

  • stuckinarut2
    stuckinarut2

    Island Man! Spot on comments!

    I hadn't thought of those points before - they are so valid!

  • tor1500
    tor1500

    Hi All,

    For those who believe in God/spiritual: We are supposed to work it out ourselves. Yes we are our brothers keeper. Would any of us be good if God didn't say so. I believe some need to be told and some people are just good natured whether they believe or not.

    I too think hey God fix this or that. What type of characters would we developed if God fixed everything yet we look at the youth today and they can't even handle getting the wrong coffee, because we haven't raised them to deal with anything. Folks put baby on board so we all should drive safer. Don't you think we should drive safe period. If we never experienced life good or bad what type of characters would we be. A bunch spoiled children. There are words that would never be used like endurance, forgiveness, etc. These words wood mean nothing.

    At the end of the day some need God or a God or sun or moon to tell them how to behave others just know whether it is God only they will know.

    Does anyone on this site would see someone in need either on this site or wherever. Do you need God to tell you what to do. I think God is our conscience. Some call it conscience and some call it God. How do you roll?

    Tor

  • EverApostate
    EverApostate

    When I was a JW, I tried to read the Bible with all my sincerity and it always ended up feeling bad or discouraged or depressed. Reason ? Too much of injustice, ignorance and silliness that I was unable to comprehend as true facts.

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel
    Stillin » David should have been stoned to death for his liaison with The bathing lady. If Jehovah always preferred that there should be one husband and one wife, why didn't He say so? Why were there false prophets? Who could say which was which? Did people have to die before they realized that it was a false prophet?

    Yes, David was guilty of murder and must suffer in Hell for his sins. He writes: "Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope. For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption." (Psalm 16:9-19) We don't know the entire extent of his punishment, but this scripture indicates that either 1) Hell does not last forever, or 2) God lets some people off, but not others. Logic dictates the former. In one of our scriptures, the Lord states: "David's wives and concubines were given unto him of me, by the hand of Nathan, my servant, and others of the prophets who had the keys of this power; and in none of these things did he sin against me save in the case of Uriah and his wife; and, therefore he hath fallen from his exaltation, and received his portion; and he shall not inherit them out of the world, for I gave them unto another." In short, he paid a substantial price for his sin.

    Being an animal enthusiast, what was killing animals at the temple really about? Could there not have been some better way to show your love for God?

    Killing animals bothers me, too, as I'm a big animal lover. That said, animals have spirits, just as we do, and the Lord uses them as teaching tools to symbolize the death and sacrifice of His Son. The lamb without blemish and the fatted calf -- all point the way to the sacrifice of Christ. I choose not to second guess the Lord as I don't know all the facts leading into the stories of the Bible. And in the ones I do, the Lord has always been more than exonerated.

    Because mankind is being tried and tested, much of what he's expected to learn on Earth is to love and help his fellow man, to offer him a hand up. The Lord can intervene when he chooses, but how and why he does that is something he keeps to himself, and it's not our place to sit in judgment of God; however, he can sit in judgment of us because he knows all the details and he knows what's in our hearts and minds. To attempt to judge God when we don't know all the facts, is to put us in danger of the judgment ourselves.

    Island Man » There is another text in the NT where it mentions the qualifications for elders and it says that if a man does not have children in subjection then he is unfit to serve as an overseer in the congregation because if he can't manage his own household then cannot manage the household of god. This scripture again highlights the hypocrisy of the god of the bible. The bible shows that god cannot manage his own household because a third of the angels rebelled against his authority.

    Again, we have no idea of the details leading up to the war in Heaven. We know that the Lord respects free agency and we also know that those of our brethren who rebelled were thrust down to the earth as spirits while the rest of us came here to live out our lives and then return. Those who rebelled made their choice and God respected their free agency. But they lost their place in Heaven and their future opportunities.

    God has managed his household in a fair and equitable manner and two thirds of us chose to continue on, while a third rejected God's plan and are paying the price. It wasn't that we didn't understand the issues; it had nothing to do with God's rulership over us.

  • tor1500
    tor1500

    @coldsteel,

    well said. I usually get windy with my comment, but you hit the nail on the head.

    Tor

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