JW suspect in triple murder

by DevonMcBride 32 Replies latest social current

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  DevonMcBride

  http://www.wftv.com/news/2684618/detail.html

  Police Name Suspect In Triple Murder

  POSTED: 6:40 a.m. EST December 5, 2003 UPDATED: 8:40 a.m. EST December 5, 2003

  DELAND, Fla. -- Investigators named a man with a history of mental illness a suspect in the shooting and stabbing deaths of a mother and her two adult sons.

  

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  Javier Orlando Carrasquillo, 28, was arrested on an unrelated charge of resisting arrest after investigators located him in a Seminole County mental health facility Thursday.

  Deputies had taken him to the facility after they found him walking around in bloody clothing Monday, taunting them to shoot him.

  Carmen Negron, 63, and sons Gilberto Vergara-Negron, 28, and Yamir Orlando Vergara-Negron, 26, were found dead Monday night in their Orange City home by a friend who'd come for a Bible study.

  Carrasquillo knew the two sons, and occasionally went to their home to ask for rides, said Lt. Gordon Meyer of the Volusia County Sheriff's Office.

  The Spanish-speaking Jehovah's Witnesses congregations to which the Negrons belonged had tried to help Carrasquillo with a drug problem, church elder Eugenio Muriel said.

  Deputies were working to match the man's fingerprints to the Negron's 1995 Honda Civic DX, which was found Tuesday in Orlando, about 25 miles away.

  Negron, who moved her family to the United States from Puerto Rico about 10 years ago, was a widow who stayed at home taking care of her family, friends and neighbors said.

  Gilberto Vergara-Negron worked at a Seminole County car rental agency to support both his mother and Yamir Vergara-Negron, who was studying to be a paramedic at a local community college.

  Carrasquillo was being held without bail at the Seminole County jail. It could not immediately be determined whether he had an attorney.
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  fjtoth

  Actually, the suspect is not a baptized JW. However, it does seem the congregation he was associated with could have and should have done better by contacting a person or agency qualified and authorized to help people who have a drug problem.
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  imallgrowedup

  fj-

  Oh! But that could give the WT a bad name!!!!! Wouldn't want to do that now!!!

  growedup
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  fjtoth

  Growed,

  Besides, "It's well known that whatever the Society publishes is far better than anything the world has to offer." So, congregation elders are far better equipped than anybody to handle the problems of an addict.

  fj-
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  morty

  very sad.....wonder what will happen to him?? Wonder if the brothers and sisters will go up to bat for this family or the murderer? which side to you think they will take? Once again, someone needing medical help to conquer their addictions, and did not give this advice....Jehobah will look after this, is what they probably adviced, and look where it got them....again, another tragedy for a family....a flippen shame...
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  amac

  Please people! Do you think there are drug rehabilitation police running around out there you can just call and they'll fix someone? Have you ever had to personally help an addict? The only way to help them is to get them to agree to get help, otherwise its useless. Don't villianize the JWs over this man's mental illness and violent crimes.
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  imallgrowedup

  Amac -

  Point well taken. However, no where in the article does it say that this guy was being "helped" against his will, nor does it say anything about the type of "help" this guy was receiving.

  How I see this is that the WT had knowledge of this guy's problems, or they wouldn't have been trying to "help" him. What this says to me is that yet again, the Witnesses think they have all the answers - and as such, are qualified to handle anything that is dished out to them, and that is simply untrue. Additionally, this article points out yet another WT hypocrisy in regards to "blood guilt". The WT did not have the expertise to help this guy - whether the guy wanted it or not - and because they were over-confident in their abilities to bring this guy to Jesus (or whatever they do), now THEY have blood on their own hands for not getting him into some kind of secular program that may have saved the lives of the people this man killed. Even if the perp still murdered these people after the WT made sure he was getting more appropriate help, at least the WT could be free from the "blood guilt" they so self-righteously accuse of others. If I were a member of the victims' family, I know I would love to see exactly what it was the WT did to "help" him.

  I bet they are burning his records as we speak.

  The Spanish-speaking Jehovah's Witnesses congregations to which the Negrons belonged had tried to help Carrasquillo with a drug problem, church elder Eugenio Muriel said.

  growedup
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  amac

  article does it say that this guy was being "helped" against his will, nor does it say anything about the type of "help" this guy was receiving.

  That's because whether or not they helped him is a nonissue in relation to this man killing 3 people. You are ready to blame the amount of help they offered as a reason as to why he killed 3 people? Should we research every murder in history and see who failed to prevent it or offer the needed help? I think that is ridiculous.

  How I see this is that the WT had knowledge of this guys problems, or they wouldn't have been trying to "help" him. What this says to me is that yet again, the Witnesses think they have all the answers - and as such, are qualified to handle anything that is dished out to them, and that is simply untrue. Additionally, this article points out yet another WT hypocrisy in regards to "blood guilt". The WT did not have the expertise to help this guy - whether the guy wanted it or not - and because they were over-confident in their abilities to bring this guy to Jesus (or whatever they do), now THEY have blood on their own hands for not getting him into some kind of secular program that may have saved the lives of the people this man killed. Even if the perp still murdered these people after the WT made sure he was getting more appropriate help, at least the WT could be free from the "blood guilt" they so self-righteously accuse of others. If I were a member of the victims' family, I know I would love to see exactly what it was the WT did to "help" him. I bet they are burning his records as we speak.

  First of all, the WT was more than likely never involved with this guy. It would have been the family studying with him and maybe the local elders. Second of all, you nor I know anything about how anyone was helping this man. My father happens to be an elder and a recovering addict. If it was in his cong he would have been trying to get the guy into some type of rehab. Or they could have been freak elders who simply thought he needed to read more watchtowers in order to heal. Either way we don't, but either way, they are still not to blame for this man killing 3 people. On top of that, lots and lots of bad advice is given in this world and the JWs hardly have that market cornered. It does not absolve any responsibilty for personal actions.

  What the local elders did is in no way responsible for this man killing them, unless they knew he was going to do it and failed to warn the family.
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  amac

  now THEY have blood on their own hands for not getting him into some kind of secular program that may have saved the lives of the people this man killed.

  In addition, what if he killed 3 people while he was in a rehab that the JWs got him into? Would they still be bloodguilty?
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  herk

  Amac,

  I don't know you, and I don't know whether or not you ever were a JW or for how long, if you were. But I don't think you understand how JWs operate when dealing with people who have special problems.

  I was nearly murdered by the son of a JW woman. He had mental problems and occasionally became violent. But one of the elders discovered that the man became calm when the Bible was read to him, and so the elders decided that they could deal with the man's problems without having to call the police or any other authorities who had the qualifications for handling such a person.

  One weekend when his mother was ill, another JW and I stopped by to see her. The son greeted us with a smile and then disappeared into another room. Moments later, he came storming out of the room in a rage and even appeared to be foaming at the mouth. He started battering me and stopped only after his mother repeatedly ordered him to. For a while I thought I was a gonner since he came at me like a battering ram. I had bruises for more than a week due to that incident.

  Why didn't his mother report him to the proper authorities? Her reason was that the elders said they had everything under control and that they were making good progress in helping him.

  In another congregation, the elders refused to report a man who often threatened his JW wife with a gun. One day he pulled the gun on another JW and me, and we were almost certain he was going to pull the trigger. Fortunately for us, we were able to convince him that we simply wanted to be good neighbors and were hoping the family was doing well. But the elders knew about this man's behavior, and they did nothing more than try to console the wife by telling her that her husband would be okay as long as she did her best to live like a Christian woman. But this woman was deathly afraid of her husband. She was finally helped when an organization for battered women heard about her situation.

  JWs often do take upon themselves responsibilities that belong to others and where they have no business butting in. I nearly lost my life twice because they're generally so naive about human nature.

  Herk