JW suspect in triple murder

by DevonMcBride 32 Replies latest social current

  • imallgrowedup
    imallgrowedup

    Amac -

    That's because whether or not they helped him is a nonissue in relation to this man killing 3 people. You are ready to blame the amount of help they offered as a reason as to why he killed 3 people? Should we research every murder in history and see who failed to prevent it or offer the needed help? I think that is ridiculous.

    You are missing my point entirely. These people could have died at the hands of this perp no matter what type or quantity of help the WT, a drug rehab program, or God himself gave. What I am trying to say is that the WT thinks they can solve everyone's problems and they can't - especially on issues they are not medically or otherwise qualified to handle! Additionally, because of their arrogance, these murders MAY have been prevented if they had recognized their own lack of expertise in the very real field of drug addiction - and therefore, made sure he got the right kind of help. Yes! I realize that the guy needs to want help in order to make any treatment effective, but what I'm trying to say is the JW's assumed that they could "fix the problem" when they do NOT have the qualifications to "fix" this guy whether he wanted help or not! They were no more able to "help" this guy if he came crawling to them for help than if he was forced into it against his will. The JW's should have KNOWN they couldn't do anything to help this man and done something to get him the help he needed, instead of reasurring the guy's family that, in their "expert" opinion, they could actually turn him around! They do not have the training or expertise to do so! I am not saying that the WT is responsible for the murders, I am saying that the murders MAY have been prevented if the guy got more intensive and appropriate treatment than the WT smugly thought they could give.

    Additionally, a major reason the WT does this is because they are obsessed with how anything negative in their organization would be perceived by the pubic. If they can keep everything "in house" then they think they can keep any information pertaining to them which could be potentially damaging out of the public eye. They are motivated to "help" in situations such as these to protect their own reputation, not to actually do something that might have a lasting effect on someone.

    growedup

    P.S. Thanks for backing me up Herk - and also - I am so glad to know that neither of these "would be murderers" were able to do morbidly wound you. For what it is worth, don't you think it would have been helpful for the WT to let you know that quoting verses from the bible would elicit the same response from your attacker as wearing a garlic necklace would in the presence of a vampire? To me, this just goes to show how obsessed they are with making sure nothing bad reflects upon them. By telling you in advance of what could have avoided the first confrontation of which you speak, that would be tantamount to admitting there was someone among them that was psychotic. Couldn't have that now, you know!

  • amac
    amac
    I don't know you, and I don't know whether or not you ever were a JW or for how long, if you were. But I don't think you understand how JWs operate when dealing with people who have special problems.

    Herk, I'm assuming you haven't read my previous posts, particularly this part:

    My father happens to be an elder and a recovering addict. If it was in his cong he would have been trying to get the guy into some type of rehab.

    I have been intimately involved with 3 different JWs and getting them into a rehab while I was an active JW. I DO know how JWs handle "special" problems such as mental illness and drug addiction. I know enough to know that it will vary from elder to elder and elder body to elder body to the extremes where you have experienced ex-addicts helping and inexperienced ones giving bad advice and acting the holy roller part. My point has been that we do not know the people who tried to help this man, and even if we did, their worst possible ignorance is nothing in comparison to this man's violent crimes.

    allgrowedup -

    I certainly have NOT missed your point, but I think you may be missing mine, so let me try again.

    Additionally, because of their arrogance, these murders MAY have been prevented if they had recognized their own lack of expertise in the very real field of drug addiction - and therefore, made sure he got the right kind of help.

    My point is this - HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY DIDN'T TRY TO GET HIM THE RIGHT KIND OF HELP? Again, my father is an elder and has helped a number of people get into rehabs and has even been their sponsor. So if this was in my father's hall, you would be flat out WRONG. How do you know you are not wrong about these guys?

    For the second time, neither of us know how this family or the local elders tried to help this man, so there is no need to speculate and even worse, try to cast blame on them.

    This applies to the rest of your post which reiterates that the local elders mishandled how to help this man, which, again, you don't know.

  • HoChiMin
    HoChiMin

    Only when one thinks the JW's are of any consequence would they be mentioned as to such acts. Their arrogance demands it be told however.

    Herk,

    One weekend when his mother was ill, another JW and I stopped by to see her. The son greeted us with a smile and then disappeared into another room. Moments later, he came storming out of the room in a rage and even appeared to be foaming at the mouth. He started battering me and stopped only after his mother repeatedly ordered him to. For a while I thought I was a gonner since he came at me like a battering ram. I had bruises for more than a week due to that incident.
    Why didn't his mother report him to the proper authorities? Her reason was that the elders said they had everything under control and that they were making good progress in helping him.

    No disrespect intended, but why didn't you report this yourself ?

    HCM

  • herk
    herk

    growedup -

    You are absolutely right. I was probably being over-generous by attributing the elders' lack of proper action to naivety. The far bigger and more important reason for their failure is their irrational fear of "bringing reproach on the organization."

    amac -

    I don't see you as being genuinely fair in your view of those who are ready to blame the elders and the Society. You should realize that your experience with your father is unique. He is not a typical JW elder. I've been a member of many congregations, some in the U.S. and some abroad. I was also a member of the Society's headquarters staff for many years. JW elders are totally unequipped to handle mental and emotional and medical problems, yet they think nothing of stepping in and assuring the members of their congregations that they are qualified. Your error is in being too generous in your assessment of the Society and its elders. Even the members of the governing body are woefully handicapped when it comes to dealing on a personal level with people who have serious problems. Their students are no better than their teachers.

    Herk

  • imallgrowedup
    imallgrowedup

    Amac -

    You are right. I don't know the particular circumstances in this case. I was speaking in generalities, however, I do feel that your experiences are more atypical than what I've seen.

    Herk -

    I'm glad you are now out and free!!

    growedup

  • herk
    herk

    HCM -

    I'm not proud of my past as a JW. I lived in awe and fear of elders who had authority above mine. That is what was expected of me, and I complied, believing I was in this way showing obedience to God. I did what the organization instructed its people to do at the time, and I went to the elders. It would have been viewed as stepping out of line to go above them and especially to turn to some "worldly" agency. The demand on me to continue going through life living in such submissiveness to men lacking in knowledge of the fundamentals of life is part of the reason I left JWs.

    Herk

  • RubyTuesday
    RubyTuesday
    However, something may have happened between Carresquillo and the Negron's church, The Jehovah Witnesses. A family member tells Channel Nine, one church member once overheard Carresquillo talking about buying a gun and killing some Witnesses.

    Interesting.....maybe he just can't stomach pedophilia.We will never really know the whole story.

  • imallgrowedup
    imallgrowedup

    Ruby -

    Where'd you get the article? Can you post all of it?

    growedup

  • RubyTuesday
    RubyTuesday

    Police Questioning Man About Orange City Triple Murder

    POSTED: 5:48 p.m. EST December 4, 2003 UPDATED: 6:32 p.m. EST December 4, 2003

    ORANGE CITY, Fla. -- Police are questioning a man about a triple murder in Orange City. A mother and her two sons were found dead in their home on Monday night.

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    The man they have in custody is not officially a suspect, but family members have mentioned him as a man who may have a twisted motive for these murders.

    It's almost fitting that, in a bizarre triple murder, the man investigators are looking for is found in a mental institution.

    Twenty-eight-year-old Javier Orlando Carrasquillo (photo below left) was arrested, not for the murders, but for a past assault. He has a violent past. Last March he had to be taken down with a taser after resisting arrest.

    Witnesses say he was friends with the Negron family. He was homeless and the family would help him out.

    altHowever, something may have happened between Carresquillo and the Negron's church, The Jehovah Witnesses. A family member tells Channel Nine, one church member once overheard Carresquillo talking about buying a gun and killing some Witnesses.

    That's something investigators aren't talking about.

    Carresquillo was being questioned in Seminole County and transferred to Volusia. Investigators hope to match his fingerprints with those at the crime scene.

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  • imallgrowedup
    imallgrowedup

    Thanks, Ruby!!

    It looks like the top picture covers some of the text! Do you know what is behind it?

    Also, it is going to be interesting to watch this. If the rumors about buying the gun and shooting witnesses is true, I'm going to rest my case.

    Again, thanks!

    growedup

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