I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild 532 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Viviane
    Viviane
    I can't see any subterfuge in my post, I thought I was just plainly calling you out for claiming something that you cant possibly know. I can't recall having crossed paths before, were you talking nonsense on another thread?

    Some people here suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect.

  • Crabby
    Crabby

    Viv's law of nothingness. Seriously Viv believing that one is a great physicist is a common effect of Schizophrenia or at least delusions of grandeur

    A delusion of grandeur is the fixed, false belief that one possesses superior qualities such as genius, fame, omnipotence, or wealth. It is most often a symptom of schizophrenia, but can also be a symptom found in psychotic or bipolar disorders, as well as dementia (such as Alzheimer’s).

    People with a delusion of grandeur often have the conviction of having some great but unrecognized talent or insight. They may also believe they have made some important discovery that others don’t understand or appreciate.

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    I worked my way through university at a psychiatric hospital. You learn a lot about mental illness. And it's true; we are all neurotic to some degree. But certain distinctions must be made...and these include:

    1. the difference between crazy and stupid
    2. the difference between neurosis and psychosis

    I'll start with the second first.

    Neurotics are not happy with their lot so they build sand castles in the sky....psychotics live in them .... and psychiatrists collect the rent.

    Now ...my favorite story to illustrate the difference between crazy and stupid

    A man had a blowout right near a mental hospital. As he tried to change the wheel, another car rushed by too close and flipped the hubcap he had carefully placed all five wheel nuts in. He searched in the ditch for half an hour and only found one. "A patient was watching from a hospital window as the man scratched his head not knowing what to do.

    "Why don't you take one nut off each of the other wheels?" he inquired, put on the spare and drive to the nearest garage and get your flat fixed.

    Flabbergasted, the man asked. "You are so smart! What are you doing in there?"

    " Well I may be crazy, but I'm not stupid!"

  • KateWild
    KateWild

    Cofty, what do you mean I can't convert. If you and Simon convert my thinking I will just have to join Simons cult.

    I suppose like all religions. There are multiple rules and cults of Atheism.

  • Ruby456
    Ruby456

    gosh Kate this has become a kind of one flew over the cuckoo's nest.don't you just love it?

    caedes I'm not asserting any kind of creator or God or spiritual being although I can see why you may infer that from that post. What i am saying is that there is huge scope for creativity in evolution when we bring time and chance and imagination into the equation.

  • Ruby456
    Ruby456

    the dunning-kruger effect is why I keep on studying. there are so many experts around nowadays - we hardly know who is dispensing what may be true. well the Open University is a trusted site - they offer starter free courses on almost all subjects so one taste can before one commits -

    edit: okay that should read electromagnetic rather than electrochemical - good catch viv

    viv said: Proof of Viv's Law.

    The processes here are similar (but not the same of course) to the electrochemical processes in physics - the interactions of quarks that is. please stop misleading. ruby

    here is the quote in full

    "The 'left-over' part of the strong interactions of quarks is similar in nature to the left-over electromagnetic interactions between atoms that are responsible for the formation molecules and the existence of chemistry" (Norton, 2003, 2008)

  • Ruby456
    Ruby456

    re the uncertainty principle of the quantum world and Heisenberg's rule the astrophysicist Norton states that "this time-energy uncertainty principle embodies an important feature of the quantum world: whatever is allowed to happen will do so, sooner or later". (Norton, 2003, 2008 p. 70)

  • cofty
    cofty
    whatever is allowed to happen will do so, sooner or later

    That makes it sound as if homochirality is an unlikely event - like throwing 99 heads in a row.

    This is the fundamental misunderstanding that you and Kate share. Soai showed that it is not unlikely at all. It is inevitable.

  • Ruby456
    Ruby456

    thanks cofty for your comment. you make an astute point - dare I suggest an excursion into Probability: a very short introduction by John Haig. I have one on my shelf.

    katy I think you have the brain to study on and finish your degree or even take a dip into physics. Losing oneself in something you enjoy like work or study is very rewarding.

  • cofty
    cofty
    One does not need to throw 99 heads in a throw but one needs to have tried all the throws that lead to gaining a 6

    Which still demonstrates you don't begin to understand the question.

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