If 1914 gets tossed (page 2)

Vanderhoven7

Phizzy is right on. 1914 is critical to Watchtower authority.

I agree that 1914 is the foundation that they built their authority on. And in the internet age, making any change to it would spread like wildfire among the exJW community. But I think we're underestimating their influence and control.

It's almost 110 years since The End officially Drew Near. 110 years might be the blink of an eye to Jehovah, but it's a long time for people. There's a reason they have always focused on how close the end is- urgency spurs people to action. If Rutherford had given a speech titled "The Great-Grandchildren of Millions Now Living Might Never Die", the organization might already be gone.

How many JWs know about 1925? How many would believe you, if you told them about it? How many, learning what really happened, would care? Heck, how many JWs still believe the BS narrative from the GB regarding 1975? How many are still in after watching the embarrassing "overlapping generations" video?? They don't need a particularly good explanation for how dropping 1914 still makes them God's Legitimate People. Just have Splane or Lett vomit up some fresh new word salad and the rank and file will shrug their shoulders and soldier on.

TonusOH

...although, now that I think about it, the overlapping generations thing might be the bigger problem for them, since it was an attempt to salvage 1914 after almost 100 years had passed. I'm sure they'd love for that stupid explanation to have never happened, but it did. And you'd probably have to replace all of the old guard before you could work on dismantling it.

So yeah, they're probably stuck with 1914 for at least several more years, if not longer.

Beth Sarim

Yes. They are bound to the hips of the lunacy of the 1914 fallacy.

No scripture anywhere to prove such.

Just the false 607BCE reasoning.

Without 1914 the 'faithful slave' doctrine collapses in on itself,, which they boast was chosen in 1919.

nowwhat?

"it would seem, evidently the earnest bible students were off by 100 years in their enthusiasm for the time of the end. It is now our belief that the end times began in 2014" this prophecy is clearly marked in Scripture to coincide with Donald Trump announcing his presidency.

Leathercrop

They have said in recent writings that Micheal who they think is Jesus fought with Satan and the demons and threw them out of heaven about 1914.

Elderberry

This, what does ABOUT even mean? Lol, then it seems they've already tossed the doctrine then. The word about doesn't mean anything.

Beth Sarim

"About" means that...speculative.

Leathercrop btw,,, welcome to the forum.

ThomasMore

They started using the word “about” because for many years, they said Jesus established the Kingdom in heaven, THEN war broke out and Satan and his supporters were kicked out, down to the earth where they caused international divisions which lead to WW1.

But some in recent years questioned the timing since WW1 started in July, but the Kingdom was not established until October (according to their timeline. So they inserted “about” so thet they could say that war broke out in heaven “about” 1914 and could have even been before the Kingdom was established. This allowed for the change without addressing the dogmatic statements made about the Kingsom coming before the ousting. Problem solved!!

Words matter with Watchtower and they like to redact dogmatic statements with words that allow them to be right whether they are or are not.

Dagney

I think most doctrine and wild calculations divided by pi times 3 1/2 years will be things mentioned from the platform in talks by HQ. I don't see where they are directing the flock to know all the stuff we had to know in the past. Now they point people to the dot.org for any questions and they basically are promoting fluff. I don't most could even explain some sort of numerical hopscotch like we used to do.

Leathercrop

About" means that...speculative.

Leathercrop btw,,, welcome to the forum

'Preciate it Beth sarim

It really seems (the idea of the word about) that the 1914 JW doctrine is in the dark about this then. How can it be a foundation belief when it could be 50/50 right or wrong lol. Is this really a the way to say "we really don't know about 1914"?

And if you're an honest and sincere JW believer, you're already not placing much weight on this doctrine based on this "roundabout" interpretation... for the same reason that it may be just as wrong as it may be right...which means the doctrine's demise isn't all that far off after all.

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