Rats and Rap Music

by NikL 22 Replies latest jw friends

  • Euphemism
    Euphemism

    Based on the articles I quoted above, it does appear to me that there are real experiments along those lines, even if not fitting the exact details in the e-mail.

    But I don't believe that human and rodent brains respond to music in the same way. Music is almost a language. (In fact, some recent research suggests that they're very closely related at the cerebral level.) Humans have the ability to understand music. To mice, it's simply a bunch of noise.

    So I certainly think that the experiment is interesting... but I don't think that it shows what it is sometimes purported to show.

  • got my forty homey?
    got my forty homey?

    Has there ever been a time when you didn't have a dime and the only way to get it was to go and do a crime?

    Snoop Dog

  • SanFranciscoJim
    SanFranciscoJim
    Then he took the 3rd group of rats that had been exposed to Rap music Kingdom Melodies, and had them go through the same maze routine. The brother asked the audience, "Do you know how long it took
    that 3rd group of rats to traverse the maze?"

    The congregation was very quiet. The brother astonished them when he said, "Would you believe it
    took that 3rd group of rats 20 minutes? The exact same maze they were originally able to get
    through in 10 minutes now took them twice as long.

    Do you see how the Rap music Kingdom Melodies slowed them down mentally, . . . and the rats didn't know what the words were either." Interestingly, he then continued on, and said that the young man couldn't
    continue the experiment any further, and he asked, "Do you know why?" The audience was quiet
    again, and the brother explained, "The rats that had been exposed to the Rap music Kingdom Melodies for 10 hours a day for two weeks started to kill each other!"

    Then the brother.concluded with the thought provoking question, "Do you really think that such
    vulgar, profane Rap music Kingdom Melodies has no effect on you?"

  • greven
    greven

    I think that Euph has a point and that the experiment did take place, yet the story was fitted to the objective of the speaker.

    I do have some problems with the interpretation of the results however.

    It shows point-blank that hard rock has a negative effect all around. I can't think of a positive
    effect that hard rock has" on learning.

    This is unsupported. It doesn't show that 'hardrock has a negative effect all around', rather, it shows at most that exposure to hardrock has a negative effect on the pathfinding abilities of mice. There was no learning involved as they were already familiar with the maze. A possible effect on memory, could be argued for.

    One should also be aware that hardrock and other music is a complex pattern of tones, rythems and notes. The observed effect could be due to one element, a combination of two or more of those elements or the entire complex. For example Hardrock tends to have a faster and harder beat as opposed to most classical music. Maybe this caused a sense of danger in the mice (previous studies has shown that rythem and beat has an effect on bloodpressure, hart beat rythem and adrenalin levels) thereby inducing disorientation and cannibalistic behaviour (not uncommon in rats and mice).

    Extrapolating this experiment from mice to humans is not warrented either as already pointed out. We are familiar with music as a species, we even make our own. Mice do not.

    Greven

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    If it seems like something someone would make up to justify some viewpoint... then it probably is...

    ... like it's used here to justify a point-of-view;

    http://www.bibleexplorations.com/article2.html

    Warning; this website has "spiritually uplifting" music and evil mouse pointers, in addition to the standard assinine stupidity.

    They mention the rocking rodents and end up using a quote from Ellen White about William Miller before concluding;

    The above statements prove rock music to be evil.

    Don't call us; we won't call you. Lovely. ANother site that came up when I searched this topic was one which stated;

    Egypt is where modern historians directly trace the origins of rock music.

    http://www.temcat.com/rockmusc.htm

    Golly, won't musicologists be surprised... ah, but then I suppose "Walk Like An Egyptian" is evidence of some sort, eh?

    Tell me, are Christian fundamentalists stupid when they become fundamentalists, or does it just end up that way? (Note to the easily insulted; if you are a Christian fundamentalist you may feel insulted. Other Christians are not being attacked.)

    ... as much as I would like to be all witty about using it to keep mice out of your house... someone's already done that;

    http://www.fischtank.com/inthetankcomments.cfm?reference=86

    Anyway, my suspisicions are hightened by this;

    http://agham.asti.dost.gov.ph/7th/articles/lab/

    A similar experiment which concluded;

    ... there were no significant differences between the mice that listened to rock music, the mice that listened to classical music, and the mice that did not listen to any type of music.

    It appears this story is a load of 80110cks. If I can be arsed later on I'll track down the person it says did the experiment and see how he's doing.

    That could be fun; what's he doing now, subjecting cats to Nine Inch Nails? Making dogs dance to House? Or, as seems to be the case, either not exisiting or making non-repeatable experimental discoveries?

  • greven
    greven

    Good digging abaddon!

    So most likely the experiment was never done anyway or fabricated. LOL.

    But as I showed even if it were true, the drawn conclusions are unwarrented. It is really a riot to see all those funny-mentalists jump on such a thing and make a big ass of themselves! :oD

    Greven

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia
    And I always loved the question posed by CO's. If Jesus came over to your house, would you be ashamed of what records he would se on your shelf?

    If the real Jesus of the Bible came to my house, he'd bring over a hooker he met on the street, some greasy insurance and used car salesmen, and some drug-addicted homeless people that nobody else gave a second thought about, he would probably be as dirty as the homeless person (oh wait, the Son of Man has nowhere to lie his head -- right, he's homeless himself) and not wash his hands before sticking his grungy fingers into my Doritos bag, and he'd ask for the really good liquor and if I ran out, he'd make it himself.

    Now, if all that happened during a CO shepherding visit, how do you think the CO would react? How many of you would think he wouldn't lecture you on "bad associations" And how many of you think Jesus wouldn't lecture him on following the arbitrary rules of men? I would love to see Jesus go at him with his "Hypocrites! Son of vipers! you Pharisees!" talk....

    Leolaia

  • czarofmischief
    czarofmischief

    rat and a tat and a tat like dat

    never hesitate to put a rodent on his back

    kickin and squealin like the three blind mice

    Wid da butcher's ho layin you on ice---

    Three Blind Mice, "rhymin and squealin," Furry Murder Inc. Records

  • amac
    amac

    I really hope a JW sends me this so I can reply to them how RIDICULOUS it is. Even with the real experiment with Rock music...does that mean humans who listen to Rock music will get lost on their way to work and start eating each other?

  • GentlyFeral
    GentlyFeral
    does that mean humans who listen to Rock music will get lost on their way to work and start eating each other?

    ...out...?

    I should hope so; that's what paid vacation time is for.

    Gently Feral
    takin' next Monday off

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