Did God know adam and eve would sin?

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  • aqwsed12345
    aqwsed12345

    The JWs' image of God is childish, like a fairy tale, it presents God like when someone scolds his 4-5 year old child by saying that God will be angry if he doesn't eat his vegetables.

    But God is not a bearded sky grandpa who is sitting on a big golden chair, watching live in his magic sphere fingers crossed to see if the little Johnny will eventually eat the vegetables, and if not, then he will be upset and will strike kittens and bunnies with lightning in his anger.

    How much more serious is the "actus purus" view instead of the Socinian one?

  • no-zombie
    no-zombie

    to aqwsed:

    After going over a number of your posts, I've come around the to conclusion that you have received your education through a seminary college. Which is ok, as all are welcome here, however I would like to ask you to help me with a problem.

    Assume for a moment that the whole Genesis account is not allegorical but true account of mankind's beginning. In Genesis chapter 4 it reviles to us, that Cain is warned by God, that his anger, hatred or jealously if unchecked will led to sinning against his brother. And that later, Jehovah was watching when he ultimately killed his brother Abel in the field.

    So my serious but simple question is ... Why did God allow that murder to happen? Why did God warn the sinner Cain in advance but did not warn righteous Abel?

  • aqwsed12345
    aqwsed12345

    @no-zombie

    May you please first read my comment (and the link within the comment) HERE regarding the histocity of the Genesis narrative?

    Your question is actually aimed at why God allows evil, this is the problem of theodicy, which has been written about many times and by many people, it would not hurt to clarify a few questions here theologically.

    God does not desire moral evil or sin for its own sake or for the sake of others; He merely permits it. This is a dogma in the Catholic Church. The Council of Trent excommunicates anyone who, like Calvin, claims that "it is not within man's power to turn to evil, but God performs evil deeds just as He does good ones, and does so in a special sense, and not merely by permission; so much so that Judas' betrayal is no less God's own work than Paul's calling."

    Both Testaments firmly oppose the notion that God is the author of sin or that He associates with it in any way. The Lord "has not commanded anyone to act wickedly, and He does not give permission to sin. He does not desire a multitude of unfaithful and useless children" (Sirach 15:20; Wisdom 12:10). "Indeed, my God, you do not delight in wickedness" (Psalms 5:5). "The Lord detests the way of the wicked" (Proverbs 15:9). "God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone" (James 1:13).

    However, Scripture often speaks as if God were the cause of evil: He hardens people's hearts, blinds them, sends deceitful spirits; the crucifixion of Christr happened according to God's plan. Solution: Scripture presents God in absolute holiness, as the avenger of sin, with such definitiveness that it cannot intend to contradict itself with the cited passages. Rather, it could mean that God intended the hardening, etc., as punishment, or that He intended to make the wickedness of the obdurate sinners evident. Furthermore, Scripture emphasizes two opposing truths with full determination and energy: God's absolute holiness and omnipotence (nothing happens without the sovereign God's decree) and does not concern itself with reconciling these two truths. Scripture thus proves to be a supernatural cosmos that not only provides solutions but also raises new and significant problems. Specifically, Scripture does not yet employ the concept of permission to express more accurately God's omnipotence over sin, but rather uses the most direct and illustrative concept available (the concept of causation).

    The curses in the cursing psalms do not originate from God, but they are inspired because they express a zeal for God's cause.

    The understanding of the Church Fathers is clearly evident from the determination and tenacity with which they opposed Manichaeism, whose main teaching was that all evil, including sin, is the direct and specific work of an absolute principle. It is not difficult to comprehend with reason that God cannot desire sin. God desires everything for Himself; the formal object, or motive, of His love is Himself. However, sin is a turning away from God; God cannot desire His creatures to live without Him, or even against Him. In other words, sin is absolute evil; no good can equal it since it frustrates the eternal goal of spiritual creatures: reaching God, which is the absolute, unsurpassable good. However, the permission of sin does not contradict the absolute holiness of God's will. This only means that God does not prevent moral evil. God can do this if it serves a proportional motive (e.g., emphasizing the freedom of creatures) and if it does not frustrate the ultimate goal of creation, i.e., if God can turn it to good.

    Regarding objects in various theological contexts, the divine will is usually classified as follows:

    1. Necessary and free will: depending on whether its object is God Himself or freely created creatures. The following classifications all pertain to God's free will, which can be:

    2. Simple and ordered will (voluntas simplex et ordinata): depending on whether it is directed towards the ends of creation or its means; the ordered will presupposes the setting of goals. Thus, God desires the manifestation of His glory with simple will and the efficacious graces of the elect with ordered will. This generally corresponds to the distinction between the absolute and conditional divine will; the latter being a divine decision that takes into account the cooperation of free creatures. Similar is the distinction between effective and ineffective will, which comes into consideration in the distribution of grace: God's saving will is called effective as far as human free will cooperates with it; otherwise, it is ineffective.

    3. Antecedent and consequent divine will (voluntas antecedens et consequens): According to Thomas Aquinas, the antecedent divine will disregards concrete circumstances, while the consequent takes them into account. According to Molinists, the antecedent will precedes the good or bad use of human free will, while the consequent follows the foresight of the free choice. This distinction is significant in the doctrine of predestination.

    4. Internal will (will of complacency) and signified will (voluntas beneplaciti et signi): The will of complacency considers God's will as it is in Himself; the signified will is actually a manifestation of the divine will observable in creation, which is metonymically called will (just as a will is called "last will"). Five such divine will-manifesting signs are usually listed: command, prohibition, permission, counsel, and action (praecipit et prohibet, permittit, consulit, implet). These signs, however, do not equally express God's will. Action always accurately expresses the divine will: what God does, He also wills. Permission in itself is not willing, as we have seen regarding moral evil. Command, prohibition, and counsel sometimes do not express God's entire will, as in the command to sacrifice Isaac. In this sense, we can speak of God's revealed and hidden will. However, it is completely erroneous, even blasphemous heresy, to believe, like Calvin, that there could be a contradiction between God's hidden and revealed will; as if, for example, God openly willed everyone's salvation, but secretly only the salvation of the elect. In general, great wisdom, supernatural enlightenment, solid and profound knowledge of God and humanity, and great humility are needed to determine or at least sense what God's will is, especially in concrete situations and difficult life tasks (e.g., career choice). Only frivolity disguised as piety dares to label every personal idea and action as God's will and even impose it on others as such.

    These classifications, however, only pertain to the divine will considered in its results or endpoints (terminative). In God Himself, His absolute nature excludes the idea that He would decide without taking all possible factors into account; as if He would consider something purely as a goal, abstractly, or conditionally, or only in certain phases, and therefore, what He wills would not always be precisely fulfilled. The above distinctions are only offered by His works for the human mind bound to discursive thinking.

    The Molinists accuse Thomism of making God the author of evil, insofar as, according to the doctrine of physical premotion, God precisely predetermines the physical aspect of sin, which is, however, inseparable from the moral aspect. If God precisely predetermines every movement of the murderer, with which he thrusts the dagger into his victim's heart, it is difficult to see how God cannot be considered a participant in the murder. To this, the Thomists rightly respond: According to Molinism, God also cooperates with the physical part of the sinful act, with every single detail. If this accompanying cooperation is not incompatible with God's holiness, then the premotional cooperation cannot be incompatible either; because, like the accompanying cooperation, it also targets only the physical element of sin, which is not sinful in itself. If it is permissible for God to provide assistance in the act of murder while it is happening, it is also permissible for Him to predetermine it in advance; in both cases, naturally, assuming that there is a real distinction (distinctio saltem virtualis maior) between the physical and moral elements of sin. Thomism further reasons as follows: Sinfulness, as such, is the lack of proper moral alignment. Its source is human fallibility (defectibilitas); and this ultimately stems from the limited judgment suggested by the fallible will. When God provides His indispensable creative premotion, He respects the will He created (as fallible) and, according to His universal law of providence, grants the necessary creative cooperation even to sinful acts, but only to the elements that pertain to existence and are therefore good in themselves. That an act deviates from proper moral alignment is due to the weakness of the will that initiated the act; just as if someone's leg is crooked, their soul is the initiator and cause of their walking, but not of their limping, which results from the defect of the leg.

    Since Providence is universal, evil is also part of its plans. However, because evil runs counter to rational creatures, especially humans, who are the objects of God's special Providence, it is a deeply crucial question: how does evil fit into Providence? To answer this question meaningfully, we should distinguish between strictly physical evil, psychic evil (suffering; both together being physical evil in a broader sense), and moral evil (sin).

    Strictly physical evil in the realm of inanimate nature involves conflicting opposites (e.g., plants and frost; coal seams and mine fires), catastrophes, and destructions (volcanoes, storms, star deaths, Earth's cooling), and chemical decompositions. In themselves, these are not evil; they only become evil because they are sources of suffering for humans and animals. They greatly enrich the picture of creation and reveal various aspects of God's excellence. Additionally, they are inherent in the concept of the material world. Thus, God could have willed and included them in His universal plan of Providence just as He willed a material world governed by the present laws to declare His inner richness.

    Regarding psychic evil, suffering, we should again make distinctions. The suffering of animals has been illuminated in the assessment of pessimism.

    Regarding human suffering, even a philosopher who meditates solely on the natural world can determine that God did not will suffering for its own sake, but rather for the goods associated with it. This means that one can find perspectives that clarify this question: why did God arrange the world's course so that it entails so much suffering for humans. Namely, a) suffering is suitable for eliciting values from the depths of the human soul that would otherwise remain forever hidden, such as submission, endurance, assistance, and consolation, compassion. Pain itself, with its often shocking outbursts and sometimes quiet sorrow, brings the grandeur and depth of tragedy into existence. Thus, it indeed plays a role in creation like shading in a painting: it highlights the colors and deepens and enriches the artistic effect. b) Suffering is temporary. According to natural reason, eternal life awaits the just in the afterlife; compared to which the greatest earthly suffering is a mere trial. Experience shows that the greatest pain becomes bearable as soon as we are assured that it will end at a definite near time.

    Supernatural illumination presents suffering in a completely new light: a) In the actual order of salvation, God's extraordinary gifts were meant to keep humans away from all suffering and significantly reduce the suffering of animals. Death came through sin, and with death came its attendants: misery, disease, and pain. Thus, in the current order of salvation, suffering has a punitive character. However, punishing sin is a providential activity. b) Since Christ sanctified and made suffering meritorious through His own passion, every sufferer has the opportunity through grace to supplement in their body what is lacking in Christ's afflictions (Colossians 1:24), and in this sublime mystical way, make temporal sufferings valuable for eternal life and, through psychological means, make it a means of purification.

    Therefore, even if the just suffer in this earthly life (this was a severe problem for the pious in the Old Testament: Psalms 73; Job 21:7; Jeremiah 12:1. The solution is given by the Fathers: Augustine, City of God, 1; Chrysostom, especially Homilies on the Statues 1, 8; Letter to Olympias.), or suffer not precisely for personal sins, even finding themselves in a worse state than the godless or those with a lax conscience, they have no reason to doubt God's special Providence for a moment. For many of the just's sufferings would not be avoidable without frequent and significant interruptions of the natural order, or miracles (great catastrophes, the universal destruction of plagues); moreover, God raises His sun on the good and the evil alike (Matthew 5:45); inherited burdens, for example, could not be suspended for the just without miracles. But Providence, as the organic continuation of the Creator's activity, generally does not want to disturb the established order of nature unless it is necessary due to God's wisdom, goodness, or justice; there is indeed no just person who does not need the atoning and especially the educating blessings of suffering (see Hebrews 12:1-13. "ὁ μὴ δαρεὶς oὐ παιδεύεται," who has not walked the school of sufferings remains uneducated, says the Greek philosopher; and Goethe chose this as the motto for his autobiography). Conversely, there is no wicked person who does not deserve some good; and since eternal life only brings punishment for them, it is understandable if God rewards them in this life. When fully appreciating divine justice, one must never disregard the otherworldly recompense. It is a blessing for the just to follow in their Savior's footsteps: "If we suffer with Him, we will also be glorified with Him" (Romans 8:17).

    Thus, the believer does not face suffering with the same dullness as the pagan masses. They do not need to resort to the false and, especially in difficult situations, inadequate fakir self-narcotization of Stoic ἀταραξία (unperturbed calm). Nor will they be tempted to reach for the less realistic euphoria-chasing of our time (εὐφορία, good feeling), which places pleasure at the center of life values and tries to avoid suffering with modern technical, medical, and social inventions and arrangements. Nor do they need to adopt the primitive standpoint of the Old Testament: suffering as a punishment for hidden sins or a short trial followed by ample earthly compensation (Job and Tobit's standpoint; Wisdom already refers to the otherworldly recompense). For the believer, the key to all suffering is the cross; the meaning of Holy Week is revealed on Easter morning.

    Moral evil, or sin, by its nature, is something God cannot will, not even indirectly, as He does with suffering; He can only permit it. Why does He permit it? What is the purpose of sin in God's providential plans? Only revelation can clarify this question, offering the following perspectives: a) The possibility of sinning is inherent in the concept of a free creature; and since a creature that "could sin and did not sin" (Sirach 30:10) is a good and significant new creative idea, God could have willed to create such a being. All the more because, otherwise, creation would have had to do without the very creature that can consciously fulfill the goal of creation: the conscious glorification of God. Intelligence involves freedom, and created, non-absolute freedom involves the possibility of sinning. b) Although God has the power to prevent every sin with efficacious graces without infringing human freedom, He saw it good to allow freedom to be exercised negatively as well. For α) Sin also presents entirely new aspects of creation and the Creator: the depths of repentance, the mercy of forgiveness, the solemn majesty of punitive justice, and God's inexhaustible patience are all revealed by sin. Saint Augustine says: "God would not have created a single angel or human whose wickedness He foresaw if He had not also foreseen how to use them for the benefit of the good, thus adorning the order of the ages like a beautiful poem with certain contrasts." "The painter knows where to place the black color to make his painting beautiful; and should not God know where to place the sinner to make His world orderly?" β) The main point: The order of sin should not be viewed abstractly but taken as it is actually integrated into the current order of salvation. Here, the reality is that God would not have permitted sin if He had not already (in idea, secundum ordinem naturae) determined its sublime reparation through redemption by incarnation. Assuming that the incarnation happened solely in view of sin, the sublime mystery of the incarnation and all the good that comes with it can, in a way, be attributed to sin: "O felix culpa, quae talem ac tantum meruit habere Redemptorem!" (Exultet of Holy Saturday).

    5. As certain as it is that all our paths and deeds are in the hands of the providential God, and that every difficult situation comes from His hand, as certain as we can be that even in the greatest abandonment and difficulty, God's tender and powerful hand leads (Psalms 55:23; 1 Peter 5:6), so certain it is that often in a given case, we cannot determine why divine Providence acts precisely this way.

    Facing an unexpected great individual or national calamity, or a severe trial of the Church, we can only echo the Apostle's words: "Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and how inscrutable His ways!" (Romans 11:33). Christ energetically warns against hastily and presumptuously interpreting God's thoughts, especially regarding calamities. When His disciples questioned Him about the man born blind: "Who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" He replied: "Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him" (John 9:2). On another occasion, He instructs the disciples prone to quick conclusions that the Galileans killed while offering sacrifices were not more sinful than other Galileans; similarly, the eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them (Luke 13:1–5). No individual or historical situation, even one under special Providence, provides a sure basis for predicting or calculating precisely the direction of Providence (see Judas's betrayal, the Church's frequent humiliations, etc.).

    The faith of many pious people in Providence, and even in God, suffers shipwreck because they engage in such false calculations or expect extraordinary Providence in a situation where they should humbly submit to the ordinary. Saint Augustine aptly characterizes this mindset, which does not understand Providence and therefore denies its wisdom: "If an unskilled person wanders into a workshop, he sees many tools whose purpose he does not understand; if he is very foolish, he deems them unnecessary. If he burns himself or injures himself with a sharp tool, he considers them harmful. However, the master knows their purpose, smiles at the fool, and pays no attention to his foolish remarks but steadfastly continues his work. And behold, people are such fools: in the case of a craftsman, they rarely dare to criticize what they do not understand but assume that everything they see in his workshop is in order and useful. However, regarding the world's creation, of which we proclaim God as the creator and ruler, they dare to criticize much that they do not understand, acting knowledgeable about the Almighty Master's works and tools, while their ignorance is evident."

    We see only a tiny fragment of God's ways; our knowledge barely encompasses the present, even less of the past, and nothing of the future. It would be great audacity to try to construct their entire course from this. Divine wisdom guarantees only that however unfathomable the ways of Providence may be to us, they are not in vain: "God's ways may be hidden, but they cannot be wicked." In any difficult situation, it is always enough to know the universal law: He does not tempt us beyond our strength (1 Corinthians 10:13). And in any abandonment, one can always, with the strong arms of faith and love, grasp God and not let go (Tauler's beggar); and "if God is for us, who can be against us?" (Romans 8:31).

  • no-zombie
    no-zombie

    To aqwsed:

    While my question was a genuine one (one that I have meditated upon for many years) my fear that you would legalistically answer has it, has unfortunately proved true. Much like when defending the Trinity through a voluminous text, one only finds the last sentence to ultimately read that "it is a holy mystery", at the moment your answer have proved to be unsatisfying vague.

    No, the problem I have is simply ... WHY.

    Why did our loving heavenly Father not say to Able "it is a good idea to not go out with your brother today"?

    I ask this question because even my actual fleshly and sinful father warned me many times, not to climb on the roof, light fires in the garden or play on the road because I MIGHT have a accident ... but yet God did not warn righteous Able, especially when he a very, very good idea, what was going to happen next.

    I could understand God's inaction if he felt that he'd done enough for Cain ... but no. As we learn latter in the Genesis account, Jehovah talked to Cain again and even arranged for his physical protection.

    Thus it hardly seems fair that Abel led a life of self-sacrificing service, when he didn't get the same consideration as a sinner.

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    Yes , “today it hardly seems fair”… We can often say that about parts of the Bible . I don’t claim to know the answers but I am willing to accept that since I was not there and we have only sparse information, I am in no position to judge.

  • St George of England
    St George of England

    I guess a lot depends on whether the person you ask actually believes in Adam and Eve.

    I certainly don't.

    George

  • TonusOH
    TonusOH

    This is an issue when discussing specific points in the Bible. One group believes it to be literal, another believes it is allegory or metaphor. With over two thousand years to study it, we've pretty much wrung every possible interpretation out of every available verse. Perhaps 1 Corinthians 14:33 is meant ironically?

  • aqwsed12345
    aqwsed12345

    @St George of England

    First of all, Scripture does not necessarily aim to speak specifically about Adam as an individual. It is not trying to tell the story of Adam as a person, but rather Adam as a corporate personality, meaning the story of humanity. In Hebrew, the word Adam (ha'adam) always means "the man" or "human." This is clearly seen in Genesis 5:2, where both "Adam" and "Eve" (the man and the woman) are called "adam." It only became a proper name later in various translations. Therefore, the first chapters of the Book of Genesis tell the story of the entire human race through the person of the first human. This does not mean that there was no first human (logically, there had to be one, and recent mitochondrial DNA research also supports this: all living humans can be traced back to a single mother), but the Book of Genesis does not necessarily address this. In reality, the name of the species became a personal name because Genesis, in the person of the first human, characterizes the entire human species (5:2). The term 'ha adam,' 'the man,' in Genesis chapters 2-4, was faithfully translated into the Vulgate as a personal name following the Septuagint. Scripture connects it with the word 'adamah' (= ground or earth) to illustrate the essential relationship: according to its origin (2:7) and destiny (3:19, 23), it is related to the earth; it must cultivate the earth (2:5), and the earth represents its living space (3:17). With this name or word usage, Genesis teaches about the human being, about who we are.

    According to monogenism, all members of the human race are literally descendants of the first parents, Adam and Eve. Polygenism, on the other hand, argues that this idea is refuted by natural science and does not fit into the general theory of evolution or our genetic knowledge about humanity. The emergence of humanity did not occur in just two individuals, but in a broader context, possibly even geographically.

    The question of monogenism versus polygenism also has profound theological implications. This issue is discussed in studies by Kenneth W. Kemp, several posts on Edward Feser's Thomist blog, and writings by Mike Flynn available online. According to the second chapter of Genesis, God created a single man, Adam, and later, Eve. Modern theology raises the question of whether this chapter speaks of any factual event at all, or if the writer merely used this narrative and the figures of Adam and Eve to illustrate the unity of the human race. The question of the real existence of Adam and Eve is even more important for the correct understanding of original sin and the resulting original sin. The Catholic position can be summarized as follows:

    1. Adam was in a state of original holiness and justice, which included so-called preternatural gifts (dona praeternaturalia). The state of the first human couple is characterized by Catholic theology as a state of sanctifying grace. This state is not the natural state of man; it is not inherent to human nature but is a supernatural gift from God, a divine invitation. The preternatural gifts associated with this state (such as immunity from suffering and death) are not inseparable from the state of sanctifying grace, but the first human couple possessed these gifts as well.
    2. Due to Adam's sin, the original sin (peccatum originale originans), he lost the state of original holiness and justice along with the preternatural gifts.
    3. However, Adam did not lose these gifts only for himself but for all his descendants. Adam's sin is inherited by all humans as original sin (peccatum originale originatum) through procreation and descent. Original sin is not the personal sin of the descendants but a sinful state characterized by the absence of sanctifying grace, which would be God's gift to humans. As a consequence of original sin, human nature was also wounded, resulting in weakened faculties. According to the classic formulation, our intellect became darkened, and our will inclined toward evil.

    According to the above, original sin is Adam's personal sin, as a result of which every human being is conceived in the state of original sin through descent from Adam. The deliverance from this state was brought about by the redemption of Jesus Christ, and each person is freed from original sin through the sacrament of baptism. However, this exemption does not mean that we also regain the supernatural gifts given to the first parents; thus, in the current order of salvation, suffering and death accompany us on our path toward God.

    At first glance, the scientific concept of polygenism does not fit into this theological framework. According to polygenism, we cannot speak of Adam and Eve or their personal sin. If we cannot speak of Adam and Eve, and if we consider them only mythical figures, then obviously we cannot speak of original sin inherited by all humans through descent from them. Modern theology, therefore, for this and other reasons, has attempted a "weaker" understanding of the doctrine of original sin. In this view, original sin is not considered Adam's personal sin but a sin committed by a particular community. (It is noted that this idea does not necessarily exclude the personal nature of sin.) The inheritance of original sin through descent is also attempted to be weakened by considering this state not a direct personal state but the sin of the world, some kind of "structural sin," forgetting that these are only consequences of the original cause, original sin.

    Pope Pius XII issued the encyclical Humani Generis (1950) in response to such ideas, writing the following about polygenism (DH 3897):

    37. When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains that either after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which, through generation, is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own.

    In the last decades of the past century, the examination of the genes of modern humans has found new arguments against monogenism. According to these arguments, there is a gene found in humans (DRB1) whose numerous variations could not have been passed on if there had been a "bottleneck" in the history of the human species (whether at its beginning or later) where the species consisted of only two individuals. These arguments are also debated by the scientific community. Hereafter, we will not deal with scientific questions but will present a theory that resolves the contradiction between the theologically justified monogenism and the polygenism better supported by natural sciences.

    The biological, developmental, and genetic examination of the human species suggests that human emergence occurred within the framework of polygenism rather than monogenism. At the same time, based on revelation and theology, the first individuals of this human species were only Adam and Eve. To resolve this contradiction, it is worth examining whether the human species, in a biological sense, is the same as the species in a philosophical-theological sense. We will not delve into the scientific question of defining the species in a biological sense. For now, it is enough for us to understand that within a species, individuals can produce offspring that belong to the same species.

    In a philosophical sense, the human species is characterized by individuals formed by an immortal soul. As a result, humans possess qualities that animals do not, such as the ability to acquire abstract, universal knowledge, and the desire for good that transcends their material environment. The human species, in a philosophical sense, began when, at the conception of an animal (or possibly later in its life), the role of form was filled by the immortal soul as a result of God's direct creative activity. This did not involve directly observable biological changes. The first human baby (whom we call Adam) began to grow in the environment of other animals—its parents, tribe, etc.—and during growth, it could notice that it was somehow different from its peers. Then Adam met a female who was also different from her peers, and thus they found each other. They became the first representatives of the human species in a philosophical sense without appearing as individuals of a new species in a biological sense. However, this beginning also signifies a new start in a theological sense because Adam and Eve were invited to friendship with God in sanctifying grace. Original sin ended this state. Due to original sin, the new supernatural possibility for development that lay before Adam, Eve, and their descendants was lost, resulting in a severe regression. Adam's descendants continued to live within the same biological species. The presence of the immortal soul became a characteristic of Adam's descendants, but this soul bore the wounds of original sin. Individuals of the biological species not descended from Adam did not possess an immortal soul. Within the biologically identical species, pairings could occur where one party, as a descendant of Adam, had an immortal soul, while the other party had only an animal soul. In these cases, due to descent from Adam, the offspring also possessed an immortal soul. Over time, Adam's descendants quickly became dominant due to the properties and evolutionary advantages of the immortal soul, making the philosophical-theological species and the biological species eventually identical in extent. Today, they can no longer be considered different. However, the former distinction may be suggested by genes whose variation diversity does not allow the assumption that the (biological) population ever consisted of only two individuals.

    In fact, we do not have certain knowledge about how hominization occurred; revelation focuses on the fundamental facts without detailing the "how." The above theory demonstrates that the Church's traditional position does not need to be abandoned even if it seemingly conflicts with some scientific findings. In such cases, it is necessary to thoroughly examine what the position pertains to and what the conflicting scientific findings pertain to. Ultimately, there can be no contradiction between the two because the Creator God and the revealing God are the same.

  • Diogenesister
    Diogenesister

    There's a lot of confusion in my mind around the betrayal & conviction of Jesus. Some is related to my Jehovah's witness Bible "education" (or lack thereof. Does everyone remember when they first learnt regular Christians believed Jesus was God?!😂).

    Any answers much appreciated.

    1. Is it true priests couldn't execute (or condemn for execution) fellow Jews (so hence why they sent him to the Romans to dispose of).

    2. The role of Judas :

    (NB I hope I have this right. Please correct me if I don't) Jesus had to bear our sins and die for us on the cross in order for us to benefit from "grace".

    Therefore he had to be "handed over" to his persecutors by someone. As per question one, the priests couldn't execute him themselves, so they manipulated someone raised to have 100%faith and trust in them to not only do the right thing, but to have Gods blessing when they did it. Remember Judas Iscariot was a Jew.There was no thought of starting a new religion at that time. Even Jesus said that not one iota "will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished" Matt 5: 17-18.

    If in order that someone could accomplish Jesus' handing over to his enemies, that person would be forever condemned. So could you argue that Judas sacrificed his eternal life so that ours could be redeemed??

    From a moral standpoint this question has always really bothered me. Especially given that the Bible (and Jesus) chide the Apostles for their total lack of understanding of the situation the whole time!

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