14 kids dead and one teacher at Texas school shooting.

by jojorabbit 117 Replies latest social current

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  Simon

  I live here, have done for 66 yrs . We are not scared of guns or knives.

  Is that because you not in an area of high knife crime or one of their target demographic? If you were a young male living in an inner city area it might be more of a concern.

  It is a fact that you are less likely to be murdered by any means in the UK than in the US

  I don't think people care how they are killed and it's unfair to compare the UK with the US. There are places in the UK that are far more dangerous than some places in the US. The UK does not have the same problems that the US has and vice versa.

  Yes you could secure schools but should a civilised society have to do that?

  Yes, they should. Shouldn't protecting kids be higher up than protecting banks, shopping malls, politicians etc...?

  What would the downside of protecting them be? (other than the loss of democratic talking point)

  You can't secure shops and restaurants .

  No, but then they are not as likely to be filled with vulnerable small children. They may even contain other people with guns. Mass shootings frequently target gun-free zones for a reason.
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  Simon

  A military style weapon.

  So it's about styling? So the exact same weapon with a polished wooden stock would be "OK"?

  Higher than needed mags.

  I believe high-capacity magazines are already illegal in most places.

  I had an SKS converted I had not much use for it.

  I don't know what that is, what does the conversion entail and why if you didn't have much use for it?

  Are you a gun owner? I understand. I like guns. I'm just troubled by what's going down.

  I've owned guns and like shooting. People should be taught gun safety, it used to be taught in schools in the US and kids would bring their guns into school without incident. That was before it was prevents ... to make things "safer".

  I think most people are troubled by what has happened. But what we need are real solutions that will prevent it, not opportunistic politicians taking advantage of a tragedy to push an agenda that's been shown to make things worse.

  Reminder: this is a terrible event but far more people were shot and killed that day and every day in places where gun control is pushed as the solution.
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  Foolednomore

  I feel the same as you if I lived in the US. Things are so different in Europe. I'm sure I would be packing to defend from crime if I was state side of the world.
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  Foolednomore

  An SKS is a Russian assult weapon that I put a wide receiver and but in a parastock. Extended mag. I just didn't shoot it much.
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  Simon

  So you were creating the type of thing you say other people shouldn't have? Doesn't sound too logical.
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  Simon

  Bullying at school, social isolation, drug-addicted mother, absent father, self-injury, random acts and statements of violence...

  https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/25/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-gunman/

  I wonder what the school did about the bullying? Or if they did anything ...
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  Foolednomore

  Well, I don't have it anymore. And I hope that it is a car or something else by now. I was youthful when I had it and got into trouble with it. This was over 20 years ago.
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  jojorabbit

  Assault weapon is a term that is almost always misused. The term came from the StG-44. At the tail end of WW2 the Germans started to get that most fire fights were less than 300 meters and they did not really need the K98 capable of long range accuracy. So they create the StG44.

  It was a short 8mm Mauser round and was capable of semi or full auto fire. So in reality assault weapons or weapons of the military are not readily sold in the USA. If the state does not ban it you can buy a full auto. But its a lot of steps to get one. First you have to buy one, but that does not get the gun in hand. After you buy one from a class 3 dealer they do a lot of paper work and if you don't have a gun trust you need to have the sheriff of your county sign off that you are not insane or a known criminal.

  Then the ATF and FBI do a long back ground check and this all takes between 6 months and a year. Once you pass that you get the gun, suppressor SBSG or other NFA item. So assault weapon is a word that the left has taken and redefined it to mean any gun they don't like, which is all guns.

  I have seen this over the years how the left just will demonize a gun. If its semi auto its an assault weapon, if its a bolt action and or has a scope or optics on it its a sniper rifle. Anything they can do to try to push an agenda. The left does not care one bit about those kids shot in Texas, they are just not letting a crisis go to waste so they can push an agenda. That is the complete disarming of America.
  
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  nicolaou

  "Of all the 5 to 14 year olds shot in the developed world, 90% of them were Americans"

  https://bbc.in/3MP8eHz (just before the 35 minute mark)

  How Americans choose to protect their young people is up to them.
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  ducatijoe

  jojorabbit . FYI. In 2019 in Australia, there were 229 gun deaths, excluding from suicides. In the United States for the same time frame, there were 19,379 gun deaths.

  Factor in they have around 30 million people vs USA has 332 million. so 229 gun deaths times 11 would be 2519 adjusted to population. Gun control does work.