I'm not talking about a victory which might include welcome reforms on blood policy, shunning or the handling of abuse allegations. What I want to know is what we would consider to be the victory.It is unlikey in the extreme that the various corporations of the Watchtower empire will ever be closed down so, realistically what can we hope for in the long term? Say 30 - 50 years?
What would you consider to be 'Victory over the Watchtower'?
by nicolaou 33 Replies latest jw experiences
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nicolaou
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Dansk
It is unlikey in the extreme that the various corporations of the Watchtower empire will ever be closed down
DAMN! That blows my hope.....................................
Hya Nic!
Ian
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Maverick
The Governing Body all getting piles! Come to think of it they may already have them. It would explain a lot! Maverick
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reboot
Realistically. I don't think there can be a great change if the practice of going door to door continues...in order to sell the magazines they need to keep a message that's radical and has a sense of urgency to it, and to keep the society viable financially they have to sell the magazines...
So the possibility for changes to the way the religion operates eg. the way it sets its self apart and the preaching work; is the very thing that needs to be changed-but can't be.
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little witch
I cant answer without doing what you ask me not too, Nic. Let me explain.
My beef with the tower is that it hurts most and kills many. The shunning, abuse cover=ups, and the blood policy. I want them to stop those practices, that would be my victory reguardless how it is accomplished.
Every time I read here someones post that they have left, it is a small victory. Watchtower reform on those issues would be huge, and a total victory. Heck, I don't care about their funny little ways, and strange dogma. Lot's of religion is strange to me. It is the fact that they have such power to hurt and kill that bothers me.
I don't care if they go on being a huge publishing company, and make a zillion per year. I realize that they could keep going on as a profitable business for years and years due to their holdings in real estate and stocks, so I don't see something as bankruptcy as a means to an end.
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blondie
The best revenge is living well.
Blondie
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Dansk
Hi Little Witch,
I don't see something as bankruptcy as a means to an end.
I'm hoping that the upcoming lawsuits will put a BIG dent in the Borg's wallet!
Regarding the door to door work mentioned earlier, around here people are sick of it and treat the JWs as they would double-glazing salesmen. With Nic's stickers to dish out and place under doorbells, plus the other "NO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" stickers that are pretty common, I don't think the preaching work can go on THAT long - at least from door to door.
People are getting wise to the cultish activity, the brainwashing and the destruction of families. This site has been a blessing, also - thanks again Simon and Angharad - as has the internet as a whole.
I can't be pessimistic here - I am SOOOOOOOOO optimistic that the Borg will be destroyed in my lifetime. For every person that leaves the Borg a ripple of fear is sent out to hit the walls of Watchtower. The ripples are growing into tidal waves and I can honestly see the Borg becoming an insignificant little strange religious cult held up by a few old timers and kids with stickyout ears from being dragged along to meetings.
Old records go out of fashion - and the Borg has been playing the same, stale old tune for decades.
Ian
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eisenstein
Everybody on the face of the earth ascending to heaven except for the members of the "Watchtower"
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Sirona
Ian,
I agree that something will change. Just look at the congregations now. Most of the young people are forced to attend and most of them leave once they're old enough. Then the ones who remain: the watchtower has changed it's policy on higher education so that its almost accepted now that you will go to college (although they still frown on it - it isn't anywhere near as bad as in previous years). Therefore I think that the youngsters who do stay in will eventually either leave through being educated enough to leave, or they'll recognise the cultish traits through other forms of information gathering (just look at the net and this site for example).
If even 95 percent of the current kids in the dubs leave this is a massive change from years gone by where dub children stayed in the org. Pretty soon "this generation" will see the end of a system of things - the Watchtower system of things. YIPPEE!!
Sirona
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Country Girl
The cult is realizing this already. They have started begging for money since I left. They used to pride themselves on not passing around a collection plate, but they always had the inobtrusive little box at the back of the hall that you could put donations in. Now they are outright begging in public for people to leave their life estates to them, and have even published a booklet on how to donate. How blatantly obvious can you be? I hear at some kingdom halls they have THREE boxes now. Their blatant pleas for money can't be klost on that many people. It's plain to see what their motivation is: their primary motivation.
They lied and re-lied the story of their history so much, that no one even knows what is the truth anymore. They are just your typical corporate religion now. Nothing is left of how it once was. There is not truth, it's turned into a giant money-making affair with no shame. I compare them, now, to some of these evangelical preachers on The Trinity Channel who beg for $ to do GOD's work, and then use it to finance their own monotheism with them as the King of Glory. The only difference between them and the other religions is that ... er.. NOTHING! THey are now making commercials, videos, publications with soft covers. none of the high quality hardback stuff of before (in printing terms, at least). They are involved in a bunch of questionable tax-evasions schemes, they have secret <?> liasions with governmental authorities, sponsor (indirectly) bomb-making through their ownership of Rand Cam stocks, and the list goes on and on. Nothing makes them stand out, nothing makes them real. The TRUTH, as they know it, makes them fools, with all this readily available information on the Internet that shows what liars and thieves they are.
They break up families, they make people choose to lose their lives through such outdated policies, and when there *IS* a mistake, they don't readily admit it. What about all those men that stayed in jail for conscience drive choices when it turned around a decade later that they could have served in a civilian capacity during a war? What about all the people that died becaus they were hemophiliacs and didn't accept any kind of blod products whatsoever? What about the people that died because it used to be a sin to accept a transplant? Huh? What about them? Wht about their families???? They don't apologize. They just say "Woops. We're only mortal men. But hey... don't forget that we are driven and inspired by God's perfect spirit." Not to mention thta if they were driven by God's perfect spirit, they'd be perfect no?
I would consider a victory over the Watchtower to be if they became just a small sect that everyone laughed at, and they were totally without power because everyone laughed at their stupid predictions. Power mongers they are now. But karma has a way of making you pay. Maybe not in this lifetime, but in some lifetime.
CG