WT Says "No" to Sellers of Toys (What next?)

by Sirona 13 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Sirona
    Sirona

    Hi

    I read through the article on the watchtower's official site about Christmas. The usual "christmas has pagan roots and so is wrong" argument was presented. However, I noticed another point that was made which I think is unbelievably ridiculous. I quote (I've bolded for emphasis)

    http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/2000/12/15/article_01.htm
    In Latin America, the three wise men replace the idea of Santa Claus. Still, as is done in other lands, many parents hide toys in the home. Then on the morning of January 6, the children look for them, as if the three wise men brought them. This is a money-making time for toy sellers, and some have made a fortune on what many honesthearted people recognize is just a fantasy. The myth of the three wise men is losing credibility among a goodly number, even among little children. Though some are displeased that this myth is losing believers, what can anyone expect of a fantasy maintained only for the sake of tradition and for commercial convenience?

    I have some questions:

    1. Is the Watchtower suggesting that Toy-sellers are wrong to sell toys that relate to Fantasy themes? How many JW children have toys from Fantasy films like Pocahontas or The Lion King? Presumably we are supposed to avoid all forms of fantasy for children and keep things 100% fact-based?

    2. What the heck is wrong with "Tradition" anyway?

    The rest of the article makes no sense either:

    SOME WOULD BE SURPRISED

    In his book The Trouble With Christmas, author Tom Flynn set out conclusions reached after years spent researching Christmas:

    "An enormous number of traditions we now associate with Christmas have their roots in pre-Christian pagan religious traditions. Some of these have social, sexual, or cosmological connotations that might lead educated, culturally sensitive moderns to discard the traditions once they have understood their roots more clearly."?Page 19.After presenting a mass of supporting information, Flynn returns to the basic point: "One of the great ironies of Christmas is how little of its content is truly Christian. Once we dispose of the pre-Christian elements, most of what remains is post-Christian, rather than authentically Christian, in origin."?Page 155.

    In my opinion, all Christian belief is at least a little bit influenced by "pagan" ideas. There isn't one Christian belief that I can think of that is 100% original. Plus, our whole society is influenced by the ancient traditions, which were then adopted by the Christians.

    And as far as this goes:

    Some of these have social, sexual, or cosmological connotations that might lead educated, culturally sensitive moderns to discard the traditions once they have understood their roots more clearly

    What doesn't have social, sexual or cosmological connotations? Go on, tell me one thing that people collectively do that doesn't have social connotations? Are the Watchtower going to prohibit watching TV ads because of their "sexual connotations"?

    Sirona

  • badboy
    badboy

    I understand that the 1st Xmas celebration was c.AD 400

  • Sirona
    Sirona
    I understand that the 1st Xmas celebration was c.AD 400

    And your point is? Sirona

  • blondie
    blondie

    Not that the WTS doesn't market their product to the season:

    km 12/00 p. 2 Service Meeting Schedule

    If the congregation has copies of the Greatest Man or Great Teacher books in stock, show how they can be used to good advantage in the ministry during the holiday season.

    Blondie

  • badboy
    badboy

    I mention it b/c I saw it in a newspaper.

  • badboy
    badboy

    Interestingly, I also saw an article about Saudi Arabia banning certain toys.eg Father Xmas etc etc

  • betweenworlds
    betweenworlds

    hey,

    Good post Sirona! It reminds me of a conversation I just had with my mom where I mentioned the fact that there were many dying ressurecting God-men and most pre-dated Jesus. My mom however said that this was due to the fact that at one time all man had the same thinking that apparently came from Jehovah, but the when the languages were confused at Babel, they all took these original *true* beliefs and spread them around the world. ARGHHHHHHHH. The circular reasoning turned my brain into a pretzel! People who will only believe in the bible as THE word of God will go to great lengths to justify it's insanity, then add a cult on top of THAT and you really get a screwy mess.

    bw

  • joannadandy
    joannadandy

    I don't think they are banning toys that have to do with fantasy--although a good christian would avoid such overtly fantasy laiden things like Harry Potter and the LOTR. These are just spiritistic. *shudders* Wow I still remember the party line!!

    No in all seriousness. I think the article is objecting to the notion of hiding toys or santa myths because they are fantasy. Don't you remember their whole line about how lying to children damages their psyche. (No crap sherlock, just like lying to your kid about living paradise forever damages their psyche. The only difference is the kids grow out of it and the parents usually never do).

    As for attacking toy-makers...it's an easy ploy. Many people in the "world" object to the commercialization of Christmas. It's an easy in that attacks a faceless entity that is easy to discredit. Oooh EVIL TOY MAKERS JUST TRYING TO MAKE A BUCK! Who can't get on that bandwagon?

  • seattleniceguy
    seattleniceguy

    I think that fun is pagan. It originated with Satan when he threw his first beer-bash. I think we should all live on bread and water and sit on uncushioned chairs and give each other very un-fun haircuts. And no thinking about toys under any circumstances!!

  • joannadandy
    joannadandy

    Don't forget Seattle--

    SAND IN EVERYONE'S UNDERWEAR! AT ALL TIMES!

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