Some stuff I wanted to say.

by joelbear 16 Replies latest forum suggestions

  • joelbear
    joelbear

    Metatron's post about the decline and fall of "The Society" led me to want to post some snippets of my family's saga with "The Truth".

    My parents were taught witness doctrine by a man named Jim Jones. No really, that was his name. He was threatened by mobs during WWII for being a witness and not being patriotic. My parents met during WWII at an airplane factory before they were witnesses. They became witnesses in 1946, the year after my older brother was born. They were told by Brother Jones that my brother would never start school. Of course he has grandkids in high school now.

    My parents were among the first to become witnesses in south Georgia. They are the last of that breed, the third generation witnesses, the first being the 1874 to 1914 group. The second being the 1914 to 1935 group. Their group came in from 1936 - 1950 or so. I think they were the last of the die hard no compromise witnesses. My mother wrote to every peanut butter company when I was a kid to make sure they did not use blood or blood by products in their peanut butter. We did not eat at Chinese restaurants because they strangled their chickens, supposedly. My mother still talks about how aluminum cookware will make you sick.

    I guess that makes me a fourth generation witness which I would say went from 1951 through 1975. This period was the era that from a percentage basis, the witnesses really took off, going from like 200,000 to 2,000,000 in a relatively short period of time. We believed the end would come in 1975. We still shaped our lives around the belief that the end would come at any time. I counted on my fingers as a child how old I would be when the persecution started. I think mine was the last generation of kids to be treated badly in school for not saying the pledge of allegiance or going to the holiday parties. Several of my teachers despised the witnesses and took out this anger on me at every given opportunity.

    In the early 60's my brother was disfellowshipped and in the last 40 years never became a regular publisher again. My father spent my childhood and teenage years drinking and staying away from home and the Kingdom Hall. I'll never know exactly why this happened. He remained determined that I tow the line and not get out of step one bit. Something changed in him when he attended the Kingdom Ministry School in Pittsburgh. When he came back he soon lost all interest in going to meetings. This kept up until he retired from work, after I had moved away from home. He then returned to the hall and became an elder again, which he still is at the age of 80. Mom and Dad simply say, "Where else would we go?" whenever questioned about "The Society". Because it is always about "The Society", not about Jehovah.

    My brothers generation was the first stage to rebel against the tight grip rules and regs. When I was a teenager we shunned those who went to, or even talked about going to college. They were as bad as worldly people in our eyes. from 1975 until now I think is the 5th generational type of witnesses. Yeah, there are still rules, but other than apostacy, you really have to be a hard liner to get disfellowshipped. I don't think DFing carries the same stigma now that it did when my brother was DFed and you had to stay DFed for at least one year.

    Now witnesses children can freely go to college, take part in sports or other activities and I don't think they really see themselves as that different from the world. Serena and Venus are great examples of this. I saw Prince on TV the other night talking about the Creator and his purpose for the earth. He had long hair and make up on and I just had to shake my head at how little change is expected anymore for someone to conform and proclaim themselves a Jehovah's Witness. There really doesn't seem to be much of a yardstick anymore.

    The only true line of separation left I think, is between "apostates" and witnesses. Apostates being basically anyone who was a witness and who isn't a witness anymore.

  • Euphemism
    Euphemism

    Very interesting analysis, re the 'five generations', joelbear. Roughly speaking, the first generation is Russell, the second and third are Rutherford, the fourth is Knorr, and the fifth is Franz.

  • outnfree
    outnfree

    Hi (((((joelbear))))!

    Thanks for sharing that. I found it an interesting read.

    Happy holidays!

    outnfree

  • Fe2O3Girl
    Fe2O3Girl

    Thanks for sharing that Joel.

    Your comments on your brother supposedly not starting school struck a chord with me. My parents started associating around 1970; when I was born in 1971, I wasn't going to start school in "this system" either. Then I wasn't going to leave school..........I have been working for 14 years.

    I wonder if the JW Lites today still think that every newborn won't start school "in this system"?

  • Guest 77
    Guest 77

    Interesting read JB. I hope you feel much better after sharing your thoughts, great therapy. I've known the org., since 1948. One needs to remember them days, they were much, much different than today. Gee, where would we be today and what would the world be like 'if' we had all of the technology and world population back then? Yeah, what would the world be like? But, it's all supposition, isn't it? Back to the future!

    I get your drift and hopefully we all can learn from the past. The problem is that, too many harbor the past and it prevents them from moving forward and exploring the present. The org., has hampered and stifled people's lives and personality's. It's a total shame. However, we now can move on and make the most of what time we have left. Can I gather your with that class of people?

    Guest 77

  • Dansk
    Dansk
    Now witnesses children can freely go to college, take part in sports or other activities and I don't think they really see themselves as that different from the world. Serena and Venus are great examples of this. I saw Prince on TV the other night talking about the Creator and his purpose for the earth. He had long hair and make up on and I just had to shake my head at how little change is expected anymore for someone to conform and proclaim themselves a Jehovah's Witness. There really doesn't seem to be much of a yardstick anymore.

    Joelbear,

    Surely that depends where one lives. I've known congregations act differently from one another and yet they were only a few miles apart. The Williams sisters were certainly looked down on in my old congregation as would Prince be. Sport is still considered a pariah activity when it comes to spirituality - "Get out in the ministry more" was a frequent cry! - and going to college is still seen as mixing with wordly people and best, therefore, avoided. I believe a lot depends on who the PO is. He tends to steer the congregation to his whims and will back them up with scripture to "prove" he's got it right.

    If your views are right overall, then the next few years should see the draconian grip further relinquished. If that happens Watchtower will be destroyed from within - in which case I'll be just as happy as if its walls had crumbled under outside pressure. Whichever its end, I'll be more than delighted!

  • gumby
    gumby

    Hi Joelbear........nice to hear from you again, and nice to read a little history of your family.

    I also agree the society has kept more "closed mouthed" about verbalising strongly....the way they USED TO, concerning, college, sports, etc. Generally speaking however, I must agree with Dansk about the societys "attitude" concerning these things. They still do not encourage these things, as is testified to in the current publications that deal with these matters.

    Lawsuits and decreasing numbers have kept the society more tight lipped about exposing what they once exposed quite strongly.

    Gumby

  • Guest 77
    Guest 77

    Could this be the modern the walls of Jericho, Dansk ?

    Guest 77

  • blondie
    blondie

    Hi Joelbear, seasons greetings to you and your loved ones.

    My grandparents came in during the Rutherford era but were known as Bible Students much longer than JWs. The end of Xmas and elected elders were the final straws.

    They never considered themselves JWs.

    Blondie

  • Maverick
    Maverick

    Thank you JB for sharing your thoughts with us. I could not help by get the feeling of melancholy as I read. So many changes and so little progress. The only thing the WTS and done consistantly is deny that they were wrong about anything. Maybe God is mad at us RF for not living up to His name and that is why the End has not come? Surely the Society is not to blame. They have done everything just so! Maverick

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