I flipped out on my JW mum - (Vent)

by Sirona 17 Replies latest social family

  • Sirona
    Sirona

    Blondie,

    You are right, I should not have flipped out. Overall I'm going to aim to be ultra calm about this from now on, and as has been said just show her how happy and how moral I can be.

    Although I'm not DF, I don't know why I'm not. Its easy to see that I'm part of another religion now and I thought that meant immediate DA. Since I've avoided the elders and not given anything away except to family, I suppose they've just let me be. If I started to attend, I think they'd immediately try to find out what I was doing in my life and start proceedings. As things stand, they're using their tool from the elders manual of not bothering to start judicials on someone who clearly is no longer associated in any way.

    Sirona

  • Sentinel
    Sentinel

    (((Sirona))) You sound so much like me. Attempting to keep the peace at any cost. But holding it all in takes it's toll. It's good you got it out.

    Like you, I have always been most respectful of my mom. I never confronted or challenged her, even when she treated me cruely and unjustly. I respected her as my mom and I respected her choices in life. I felt sorry for her. But, our life together had been so disjointed, with the family separated here and there, back and forth over the years. The JW rules, so strict, so difficult to live by. I delayed letting her know how I truly felt about this cult religion. When I did let her know, she sent me a long letter with about ten basic questions. She asked me to answer them and I did as honestly as I could. I sent the answer back to her as she requested, even though we only lived a couple miles apart. She cut me off like she would cut off a body part and throw it in the garbage. For over ten long years, she was not available to me. She took rejection and shunning to new limits. However, there were many things left unsaid.

    Then around 1992, she suddenly had a change of heart. I really believe my non JW dad had enough of her attitude and how she had estranged the entire family. He was trying to bring everyone together. So she began speaking to me, just a little. It was a turning point. This lasted somewhat into 2001, awhile after my dad passed away. Then she began the shunning again.

    When I had the opportunity during one of her rare "health update phone calls", all my most heartfelt thoughts came tumbling out. They didn't come out all that nicely. My voice was raised, as was my blood pressure. My husband just stood and listened and shook his head in agreement. I thought she would hang up on me. She didn't. She took it all, like I was persecuting her and she was the martyr in good form. I was firm, I was strong, and I was using a tone I'd never before had with her. I screamed, I cried. Among other things I told her that she only loved conditionally, that she knew no other way. I told her that there was no love and compassion and that I knew that she was better than that, but she was allowing an organization to dictate her every move.

    I told her that I'd stayed "in the truth" for so many years when I didn't believe it, because I knew the price for leaving, and I knew that losing her would devastate me. She was silent. She was hurt terribly, but the truth came out. Then her tough side immediately came up and she was stronger than I had imagined her to be. That conditional love reared it's ugly head. The wall was already up, and now the cement was laid. No turning back.

    Sirona, the truth must come out sooner or later. I know it hurt both of you, but at least you were able to vent and I think that is a great part in healing and recovery. Don't be too hard on yourself.

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  • metatron
    metatron

    You nailed it, Sentinel!

    Once the doctrinal nonsense is out of the way, you talk about love and guess what?

    Suddenly, they get caught short. They don't know what to say.

    This is the developing 'Achilles Heel' for them. They lack love and they know it.

    If any of you wish to influence your Witness relatives, this is the key to persuasion : love and the lack of it.

    metatron

  • ESTEE
    ESTEE
    she made comments about me being a "pagan celebrator" and she wasn't being nice about it

    Sirona ... I hear you say your mom wasn't nice about what she said. Dubs are frustrated people because they have lost their control over you, as I see it. Their frustration shows and sometimes they aren't nice about it. Just keep living your life as you choose to. Your happiness will show. Maybe one day something will click with your mom and she will realize she is in a cult. In the meantime, as we choose our path, the dubs also get to choose and follow the dub path. They have every right to choose that. Let them be. Just know ... and hold the vision that one day she will open her eyes, too...as you did.

    My kids are blind, hard-hearted, rigid, frustrated dubs ... I hold a vision of them one day opening their eyes and softening their hearts toward me. I look forward to that day.

    Love

    ESTEE

  • Momofmany
    Momofmany

    .

    Attempting to keep the peace at any cost. But holding it all in takes it's toll. It's good you got it out.

    You are so right. About once a week my mom asks again if I can just look past the "607/1914 thing" and just accept Jehovah will fix it all in the new system. Just hold on. So we talk until 1 AM. She reads scriptures about one thing, and then I counter. Sometimes I want to shake her and say, "You just don't get it do you?" But gotta keep the peace. I am lucky, I have a sister and brother I can vent to, and they so understand.(my sis. left 16 yrs ago, and my brother 4) If it weren't for them, I think I would have popped.

    Sirona, sorry you said things you wish you didn't. Or if not what, but how. Hope next time it works better for you.

  • xenawarrior
    xenawarrior

    ((((((((((Sirona))))))))))))) ARGHHH is right !! I can only imagine how frustrating it was. And you are right- she is celebrating Christmas but she doesn't want to see it that way so she reframes it to make herself comfortable. My jw friend used to do that too. He'd go home to his non-jw family for Thanksgiving and Christmas and was right there with his Mom on Mother's Day for their celebration of that. He even called me to wish me a Happy Mother's Day. When I asked him about this hypocrisy he had it totally reframed in his own mind to be innocuous. It just wasn't the same thing. "Well, my whole family was getting together and it was an opportunity for me to see them and you have to eat ya know " I sent him Christmas gifts- did he refuse them because he didn't celebrate Christmas? Hell no !!

    It's good that you spoke your mind though. And you'll have other times when it comes up too and maybe as time goes on it'll get easier.

    Happy New Year to you hun !!!!

    XW

  • bebu
    bebu

    (((((Sirona)))))

    I'm really sorry to hear that her heart is so hardened. Sigh...

    Isn't it frustrating to find so many high walls in the hearts of the ones we love? Sounds like the screaming and shouting was simply the desperate wish to be heard on the other side--I certainly wouldn't judge you. (Jesus used big guns on the hardest-hearted folks you know; he wasn't such a milktoast.)

    I think that if you were not shouting with hatred, or speaking with deceit or barely-concealed pride, then there is something redemptive there. So I pray God will water all the seeds of truth she heard, and help your mom to be courageously honest in her thoughts as she remembers them all...

    bebu

  • Sirona
    Sirona

    I just want to thank everyone for their comments. Its a difficult subject and have you ever had that feeling when you've started a thread that now you don't know what to say anymore?

    Sentinel

    I told her that I'd stayed "in the truth" for so many years when I didn't believe it, because I knew the price for leaving, and I knew that losing her would devastate me. She was silent. She was hurt terribly, but the truth came out. Then her tough side immediately came up and she was stronger than I had imagined her to be. That conditional love reared it's ugly head. The wall was already up, and now the cement was laid. No turning back.

    Wow, its great that you could tell her that, dsepite the fact that she didn't soften.

    I will try and be loving, but not take the insults, and see where that gets me,...

    Sirona

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