Supremes Face Bombshell: Law Censoring Christian Counsellors

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  • Hecce
    Hecce

    WND EXCLUSIVE

    SUPREMES FACE BOMBSHELL: LAW CENSORING CHRISTIAN

    The U.S. Supreme Court has been handed a bombshell: An appeal of a lower-court ruling that banned Christian counselors from talking with teens about the biblical standard for sexuality.

    The case challenges laws that force licensed counselors to affirm homosexuality, prohibiting them from helping clients overcome same-sex attractions.

    Such laws have been adopted in New Jersey, where a biased judge used it to shut down a Christian ministry, and in California and other states.

    The case already was presented to the Supreme Court several years ago, but it did not get a ruling.

    Now a new appeal has been submitted by the Pacific Justice Institute on behalf of two religious leaders in California and a student who was considering going into counseling.

    The appeal argues affirmation of the state regulation by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ignored the fact that when lawmakers were arguing over the law, many, if not most, of their comments were specifically about religion and conservatives.

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    The appeal contends it’s unconstitutional to base a law on religious or anti-religious viewpoints.

    “California’s lawmakers saturated the analyses with references, summations and quotes (at times without attribution) taken directly from the APA Report [on counseling to overcome same-sex attractions],” the appeal states.

    “A review of the APA Report leaves no doubt that religious conservatives are those typically seeking SOCE [sexual orientation change counseling] – and those whose beliefs the legislature seeks to change. The evidence reflected in the APA Report shows that those wanting to diminish same-sex attractions do so because of religious convictions, desirous of living their lives in a manner consistent with their values.

    “These ‘consider religion to be an extremely important part of their lives and participate in traditional conservative faiths.'”

    However, the appeal, brought on behalf of Donald Welch, Anthony Duk and Aaron Bitzer, pointed out that the 9th Circuit affirmation of the state ban on counseling simply ignored the anti-religious component of the law.

    “The 9th Circuit now overlooks unmistakable religious hostility in legislation,” the appeal argues.

    It’s in the record that the law’s legislative history “made repeated references to the religious motivations of SOCE,” the appeal explains.

    The law actually prohibits “communications of certain religious tenets regarding sexuality within the four walls of Dr. Welch’s church.”

    The Supreme Court, therefore, needs to determine whether a state may “bar ministers from inculcating or encouraging certain religious values in youth, when those ministers are also licensed by the state as mental health providers.”

    Also, questions include whether restrictions on religion are shielded by the court and whether minors’ rights are violated when they “may only seek to reduce same-sex attraction on their own or with the assistance of unlicensed individuals, and they may not seek professional help to do so.”

    The defendants include a long list of state officials, from the state medical board to the governor.

    The law originated with homosexual interests who want the state to require licensed counselors to promote homosexuality but be banned from explaining its negative consequences.

    It began in the state’s schools, where a previous law allowed promotion of homosexuality but forbade educators from explaining the problems.

    “If the Supreme Court grants our petition for certiorari, this will be the most important freedom of religion case for this year and will impact the rights of counseling ministries across the country, potentially for generations to come,” said Brad Dacus, president of PJI.

    He said since the passing of SB 1172, which bars licensed counselors from assisting youth who want to change or reduce same-sex attractions, PJI has worked to defend counseling that takes place within church walls. The law also prohibits counseling that would steer youth away from gender confusion.

    WND reported in 2015 that the bias of a trial court judge and the prevailing political perspective in the Obama administration that homosexuality should be promoted killed a New Jersey counseling program that offered help to those who are frustrated with their same-sex feelings.

    The group JONAH, or Jews Offering New Alternatives for Healing, announced the closure of the organization due to a judge’s order in a lawsuit brought by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

    WND reported the jury verdict that ordered the organization to pay $72,000 to several plaintiffs who sued under a New Jersey consumer fraud law after they said their counseling sessions aimed at getting rid of unwanted same-sex attractions failed.

    At the time, licensed professional counselor Christopher Doyle told the Anglican Mainstream website that the decision “is the consequence of liberal judicial bias.”

    “Before and during the trial Judge Peter Bariso stripped JONAH of so many opportunities to really defend themselves, disqualifying five of the six expert witnesses for the defendants because their opinions contradicted the so-called mainstream view that same-sex attractions are not at all disordered, even if a client is distressed by these unwanted sexual feelings because of their sincerely held religious and spiritual beliefs,” he explained.

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    “The judge’s bias against religious freedom was so ruthless that he even refused to allow JONAH’s chief attorney to mention the First Amendment freedom of religion in his closing argument,” Doyle said.

    Oregon also has adopted similar rules that prohibit people from offering help during counseling sessions to juveniles who have unwanted same-sex attractions.

    But several other states have rejected the idea.

    The case against JONAH was brought by the Southern Poverty Law Center, which infamously put Dr. Ben Carson, one of the most respected men in America, on a list of “haters” for his views on marriage. The organization also was formally linked to domestic terror through a criminal case in which a homosexual attacked a Christian organization in Washington.

    In 2014, the Supreme Court refused to hear arguments on a related dispute regarding counseling sessions.

    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/01/supremes-face-bombshell-law-censoring-christian-counselors/#a5VIzKXgHjdHF7yL.99

  • DJS
    DJS

    Yes, those poor x-tians and religionists. They are sooooooo discriminated against.


  • Simon
    Simon

    SPLC are leftist idiots - they also class Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Maajid Nawaz as "anti muslim extremists" (rather than giving the reformists the support they should get from professed liberals).

    But yeah, the Christian right are a threat to freedoms and rights and would like to plant their own doctrines into government whenever possible and should be prevented from doing so. A theocracy of any religion is dangerous and should scare everyone.

    This is an example of extremes from both sides though: no one should be "promoting" homosexuality anymore than anyone else should be trying to outlaw it.

  • DJS
    DJS

    Ditto Simon. One salient point in all of this is that a young person, free of religious pressure and condemnation regarding their sexuality, wouldn't need 'counseling' of any kind.

    They would be left alone to become who they are.

    This 'deprogramming' is similar to other x-tian and fundie programming and medical interventions in the past that sought to change an individual's natural sexuality. The studies on these types of interventions, i.e. conversion therapy, conclude they are worthless to dangerous. Google it.

    The judge in this case seems to be following the very best science. Imagine that. Justice by rational process and evidence rather than hysteria and religious dogma.

  • Hecce
    Hecce

    While I was reading this I was thinking that if the case goes against religion, it will affect the WT and their their practices regarding minors, specially about baptism that will have to be changed drastically.

  • DJS
    DJS

    Ditto Hecce.

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    Article by (BY ANTONELLA ARTUSO, TORONTO SUN)

    University of Toronto Prof. Jordan Peterson

    TORONTO - The University of Toronto has slapped down a professor who openly criticized the use of gender-neutral pronouns and political correctness at the post-secondary institution.

    Jordan Peterson, a psychology prof, was sent a letter Tuesday that told him that he must refer to students by whatever pronoun they wish — not just ‘he’ or ‘she’ — and that he must also refrain from making public statements on the topic.

    “They had to make their decision whether they were going to make a stand for free speech or whether they were going to censor me and they’ve decided,” Peterson told the Toronto Sun Wednesday. “It’s unfortunate; I’m not happy about it; I’m disappointed.

    “But it doesn’t surprise me because it is the fact that such things are happening that was the motivation for me to make the damn videos to begin with,” he said.

    The professor published two YouTube videos on the topic of political correctness in response to the university’s plan to conduct anti-racism and anti-bias programs.

    His comments sparked tense rallies both for and against his position, which argued against gender-neutral pronouns and in favour of free speech.

    The university said the refusal to use gender-neutral pronouns when asked would be discrimination.

    “These laws are the first laws that I’ve seen that require people under the threat of legal punishment to employ certain words, to speak a certain way, instead of merely limiting what they’re allowed to say,” Peterson said. “So the law’s put words into our mouths.”

    The U of T letter, signed jointly by arts and science dean David Cameron and faculty and academic life vice-provost Sioban Nelson, said the university is committed to free speech but that right has limits.

    “Your statements that you will refuse to refer to transgendered persons using gender neutral pronouns if they ask you to do so are contrary to the rights of those persons to equal treatment without discrimination based on their ‘gender identity’ and gender expression,’” the letter says.

    Students have also reported being the target of violent threats, the letter says.

    “We trust that these impacts on students and others were not your intention in making these remarks,” the letter says. “However, in view of these impacts, as well as the requirements of the Ontario Human Rights Code, we urge you to stop repeating these statements.”

    Althea Blackburn-Evans, a spokesman for the University of Toronto, said Peterson’s views are his own and he has a right to express them, but he also has an obligation as a faculty member.

    “We expect all members of our community, including Prof.Peterson, to foster a learning environment that’s free from discrimination and harassment,” she said.

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    Christie Blatchford: B.C. teacher fired for having the wrong opinion

    A teacher at a posh private school in British Columbia was fired last month after making an innocuous comment about abortion to his Grade 12 law class.

    Though there is no way of knowing, since discipline matters are shrouded in secrecy, it may be the first time a Canadian teacher has been fired not amid allegations of impropriety, but for having the wrong opinion.

    Certainly, Lori Foote, a spokesperson for the 60,000-member-strong Ontario Secondary School Teachers Federation, said Wednesday that no one at the association is “aware of anyone being fired” in Ontario in comparable circumstances.

    The 44-year-old teacher, who has asked that he not be identified to protect what’s left of his career, was teaching “the criminal law unit, a lesson on vice, ethics, morality and the law” to his small class in the Vancouver-area school in late November.

    “I was working my way through examples of how some people’s sense of personal ethics was more liberal than the letter of the law,” he said in an email.

    For example, he told them, many people might roll through a stop sign on a deserted country road, deeming it morally acceptable, even if unlawful.

    Such is the cost of a small misstep in a crushingly politically correct world.

    In other words, he said, in a pluralistic democracy, there’s often “a difference between people’s private morality and the law.

    “I find abortion to be wrong,” he said, as another illustration of this gap, “but the law is often different from our personal opinions.”

    That was it, the teacher said. “It was just a quick exemplar, nothing more. And we moved on.”

    A little later, the class had a five-minute break, and when it resumed, several students didn’t return, among them a popular young woman who had gone to an administrator to complain that what the teacher said had “triggered” her such that she felt “unsafe” and that, in any case, he had no right to an opinion on the subject of abortion because he was a man.

    The school, for the record, is a witheringly progressive one.

    Before classes even started last fall, teachers underwent serious “gender training” given by QMUNITY, an organization for LGBTQQ2S (lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, queer, questioning and two-spirit) people. Teachers were told in no uncertain terms, for instance, that “no one is 100-per-cent male or female” and that everyone is somewhere on the “gender spectrum.”

    Unsurprisingly, students at the school, where $30,000-a-year tuition buys small classes, regularly say “I’m so triggered” and are allowed to walk out of class.

    What happened to the teacher over the ensuing few days sounds like something out of the Cultural Revolution in Mao’s China, where people were subjected to what were known as ideological struggle sessions, forced to “confess” to various imagined sins before large crowds, and roundly denounced.

  • zeb
    zeb

    what area of enterprise would employ these cottonwool kids when they leave? My sympathies to the teacher.

  • Spoletta
    Spoletta

    The real problem I have with Christian Fundamentalists, is that any mention of the LGBT community that isn't condemnatory, is seen as "promoting" it. DJS is correct that studies have shown conversion therapy to be a failure, with many individuals being psychologically harmed from the attempt to change their orientation.

    The political agenda of the LGBT groups is little different from that of the Civil Rights movement. All of us are equal, and deserve the same rights and freedoms, no more or less than anyone else.

    Of course there are always those in whom Political Correctness preempts common sense(the reaction to the teacher's remark in British Columbia was ludicrous). However, in the case of Prof. Peterson, I don't see how asking you to be sensitive to someone's preferences in gender-neutral pronouns is an infringement of your free speech rights. Being a male, I would prefer not to be called Miss or Mrs. Many transgender or gender-neutral people would simply like to be addressed by the terms they associate with themselves. No big deal.

    Anyway, as DJS also said, If certain Christian groups didn't have this irrational fear of sexual orientation, this problem wouldn't exist. We'd all be much happier.

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