I love you - do I? (page 2)

Sentinel

I view the creator(s) as my lifegiver. I've never seen him/her or heard his/her voice. He/she doesn't write me letters, but his/her influence is everywhere in every single living thing. To me this is the greatest expression of love for the created. I feel the inner stirrings toward my spiritual beginnings and look forward to the completion of my journey back home. While I'm here, I will try to be a good host for my soul in this lifetime. I will seek the good in all things.

I'm just glad to be here and will try to live a fulfilled life for the duration. I have my own views about the journey of the soul and the endless changes that go on from birth to death to birth, over eons of time. To try to figure out some type of rules or regulations other than simply showing love and compassion is something I would not be interested in. These are the controled arenas for humans and they seem to like to do this sort of thing. They become their own worse enemy but they are allowed to do it. I don't believe the creator(s) formed humankind and then abandoned us. They are allowing us great freedom just by being alive.

I couldn't accomplish any of this unless I first loved myself.

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Purple

Hmm Donkey hun you wouldnt be studying philosophy by any chance and need some research for an assignment???? Read Plato and the Allegory of the Cave...the Matrix movie was based upon it. It questions the nature of reality and what we perceive to be real. Are we distracted by the seemingly real and miss what is actually real??? Plato saw shadows and took that to be real.

Is love itself not a concept and the percieving of love another concept, one which is defined by individuality? Is not god a concept that man strives to prove real according to their individual experience? Is the bible real or does it distract us from the real? Is not all religion man made and is used as a controlling mechanism to create order and harmony where kaos would normally rule? How can one ask about love as a concept if one does not understand what love is? We have manifestations of what we feel love is, and this also differs from individual to individual. For example a phedophile is convinced he/she loves the victim and the victim loves what is happening. Those outside would judge, society says its wrong and so on etc. A husband may try to strangle his wife and justify it with I love her and was trying to help her and so on.

So I believe love is relative to the individual and the situation. What is love anyway?? Is it not a concept that can also control the individual and does not society use it to control??? For instace if you love Jehovah youur God you will.......thus making the individual feel compelled to do something and so on..... Also there are supposedly many different types of love as well all we all know! There are varying degrees of love to....... so to suppose there is just a love and a concept may be a little ummm not sure of the word I am looking for here....its not as straight forward maybe??? I hope this rambling makes a bit of sense and sorry for the spelling!

donkey

Purple - your response was great - thanks. No I am not studying philosophy - I just think about stuff in my own obscure way and try to make sense of what I see albeit with mixed results. All of this is based on our representations to ourselves and the meanings we attach to things isn't it? If we change the meaning we associate with anything then we change our emotional response and can cope with anything that comes our way.

Philosophy aside - it is interesting to consider that people can love that which is false or that which cannot be proven true and dedicate their life to God and form an emotional attachment with this imagined person. If i did the same with an imaginary friend named Fred people would consider me insane - but because it is an imaginary friend called God we could be called spiritual or complete - ironic huh?

minimus

Donkey---do you genuinely love your parents, family, etc>?

JamesThomas

Thoughtful observations, Donkey. Perhaps we are innately and naturally in love with Truth; That, which is at the core of our being; and, unknowing of what is at our center, we mistakenly focus this love on beliefs about God, rather than God/our Truth. j

Minimus - sure - but then I know they exist.

But what if one day they told you they were not your parents but found you under a rock?

plmkrzy

We can also observe people all over the world who worship idols or nature or other gods such as Allah or Vishnu etc
and we know that these people are in love with a god who is not true

We don't really KNOW that but we may believe that.

You may ...or may not, find this interesting reading.

Yet philosophies of the past have all taught of a "self" in man; sages have studied the constitution of our inner nature
with scientific exactitude. It would seem foolhardy to ignore their testimony as to the existence of the self and the
nature of the complex vehicles it uses for expression during its evolution on this earth. The very universality of such
teachings, their intellectual profundity, and their ability to account for all the phenomena of human experience, both
normal and abnormal, warrant their serious study; and it is one of the aims of theosophists today to bring this knowledge
of our inner nature to the attention of the modern world.

Theosophy is, indeed, like a key to a code. Without the key a code is unintelligible, though one may make any number of
observations about it and pile up a vast amount of data concerning it. The data may be absolutely correct, but they do
not answer the question: "What does the code mean?" The modern psychologist has gathered a vast amount of such observable
data about human beings. The key to the code is missing; but we notice that some of the more penetrating scientists are
turning to the sacred books of the East to find the missing key.

It is naturally in the field of the abnormal human states that psychology and psychism meet; but the former confines
itself mainly to research and experiment connected with such obvious states as dreams, hypnosis, insanity, hysteria,
and double personality, leaving untouched a far wider range of unexplained "powers." Perhaps this is just as well for
the time being.

It is worthy of note that practical psychology brings out a whole new set of problems to be solved which are totally
unsuspected in the theoretical systems. In the treatment of abnormal states the practitioner often proves himself much
bigger than his theory. This is surely because he brings to bear upon his actual problems his natural love of his
fellowmen and his keen desire to bring relief to those who suffer. The spontaneous qualities of his spiritual nature
cannot be denied and are bound to exert an influence upon those with whom he labors. On the other hand, he can ill afford
to ignore any sources of knowledge in regard to psychic powers, for the simple reason that he is using them himself to
some extent. His good intentions will not save his patient from the possibly disastrous effects of a power used in
ignorance.

http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/gdpmanu/psychic/psyc-1.htm#psychlogy

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