What was Gods plan when He created the Earth or was it all an accident ? (page 2)

rem

If god exists, then how does he answer the question "how did I get here?" and "what is the purpose of existing?". Was it all an accident for him or was it the plan of a meta-god?

rem

Sara Annie

Why do I picture JamesThomas making a living doing something cool like building canoes or being a river guide and eating shrooms?

Or flying an old but immaculately kept plane around the countryside giving rides for three bucks each and laying out in a field staring at the sky making clouds disappear...

JamesThomas

Why do I picture JamesThomas making a living doing something cool like building canoes or being a river guide and eating shrooms?

Well, IronGland, your not far off the mark. I am simply working some land right now; and here is a picture of my home:

Or flying an old but immaculately kept plane around the countryside giving rides for three bucks each and laying out in a field staring at the sky making clouds disappear...

Sara Annie, one of my favorite books is Richard Bach's, Illusions. If I become any more transparent, I may soon disappear all together. Peace to you both, j

logansrun

rem,

If god exists, then how does he answer the question "how did I get here?" and "what is the purpose of existing?". Was it all an accident for him or was it the plan of a meta-god?

I share much of your skepticism about many people's notion of "god" or other "spiritual things." Quite often people's ideas are extremely ludicrious. I have a hard time accepting the notion of a personal God who intervenes in peoples lives but we are still left with the question : "Why is there something rather than nothing?"

Yes, theism violates Occam's razor. But so does existence itself. A God who creates the universe doesn't make sense to me. A universe which just "is" doesn't make sense to me. "Nothing" -- no universe or God -- that doesn't make any sense either. No matter which way we think about it we fall into paradox.

On that note, I'm not ready to give up some form of telos to the universe just yet. We still have a lot to learn and the more we study the universe the more fantastic and "weird" it gets. (superstrings, the multiverse, etc.) Could an intelligence have guided matters in a way we simply do not understand as of now? It honestly wouldn't surprise me.

I doubt that answer will manifest itself solidly in the near future, though. Nor am I dogmatic about it.

Bradley

rem

Bradley,

I hear ya. Why is there something rather than nothing? That one makes my brain hurt!

I like the concept that we as humans are and example of the universe becoming conscious of itself. We are not separate from the universe... we're just atoms and space like the rest of it. When we ponder the universe, the universe is really pondering itself. Weird!

rem

logansrun

rem,

Physicist John Wheeler -- not a "crack pot" by any means -- has seriously considered the idea that human consciousness actually brought forth the creation of the universe in some wierd way of the future affecting the past. I believe this is known as the "particapatory universe" theory. It's pretty far out there and I haven't a clue as to how that is even remotely possible. But, hey, we already know that an observer can affect the observed on a quantum level -- who's to say that consciousness couldn't have that "macro" type of effect?

Things are getting weirder and weirder!

Bradley

IronGland

Well, IronGland, your not far off the mark. I am simply working some land right now; and here is a picture of my home

Very nice. Mog bless all you stand for.

Huxley

JamesThomas, your posts are great...

I bet you have an awesome library in your dwelling..

any chance you would list your top 5 books?

Huxley

Sara Annie

Sara Annie, one of my favorite books is Richard Bach's, Illusions.

Mine too, obviously. I received it as a gift in college from a very dear friend. It changed my life and the way I thought about the nature of God and the human condition (my, how cliche, I just bored myself). Every time I read a post asserting some ridiculous absolute about the unknowable, I find myself thinking about the last entry in the Messiah's Handbook...

I always look forward to your posts so I can nod and say "Yeah, what he said!" after reading them. Thanks for that.

Huxley

JT, for some reason I can't send you a message..will try to PM later..technical difficulties I assume..

Thanks :-)

Huxley

What was Gods plan when He created the Earth or was it all an accident ?

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