Question about UN assoication (page 2)

greatteacher

To add to all that, the GB had overdue book charges of upwards of $37.40. Apparently Brother Henshel refused to return his borrowed copy of Danielle Steel's "To Love Again"

imallgrowedup

Andy -

Notice where the spokesman says "because without the support of the UNO it would not be possible to distribute humanitarian help".
In other words they have to sleep with the Wild Beast in order to do Jehovah's will?
I guess Jehovah needs the Wild Beast to help preach the Kingdumb.
It's this kind of reasoning that messes with people's minds.

Excellent point!

Can you provide a link to this article?

growedup

hawkaw

Be careful. The WTS DID NOT JOIN the UN. Only countries join.

What the WTS did was, as a long standing NGO (ie. not for profit organization) they voluntarily sought out accreditation as an "associated NGO" with the UN's Department of Public Information. To become accredited the WTS voluntarily agreed to support and respect the principles of the UN Charter (which allows for wars - eg. Korean Conflict, Gulf War 1) and disiminate UN information around the world to promote the UN. This is and always has been part of the accreditation process since the UN's ECOSOC Council resolutions of (about) 1968.

The WTS voluntarily applied in 1991, and recieved "associated status" in early 1992 after they were accredited by a NGO/DPI Committee. After the WTS were caught in late Sepember 2001, they requested the DPI to and were granted (Oct 10/01) by the DPI to become "disassociated" (actual word used by DPI) from the UN's DPI. The WTS still is considered an non governmental organization but is not longer an "associated NGO" with the UN's DPI.

Please note our comments and findings such as the Oct. 15/76 WT rag (I think page 711) and then there is the study article in the June 1, 1991 WT rag (They Refuge - A lie) which shows it is a violation (disfellowshipping offence) to be associated with the UN or any country in this manner.

hawk

avengers

Can you provide a link to this article?
growedup

I don't think the link to this article still works.

The excerpts I published is Stephen Bates' correspondence of the Guardian with "WT Officials".

If my memory serves me well (and it always never does) it was Stephen Bates who discovered the WT in bed with the beast.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Here's another excerpt of his correspondence. It was published in the Guardian. So there has to be proof these articles are indeed genuine.

excerpt"

...And this is how I've responded to Mr Gillies....

cc:
bcc:
Subject: from Stephen Bates, the Guardian

Message:
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Dear Mr Gillies,

I have just been shown your letter, submitted for publication two weeks after my initial article appeared in the Guardian.

I would be very grateful if you would allow me to circulate it to the
thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses who have contacted me since the articles appeared because, if there was nothing secret about your association with the Scarlet-Coloured Beast, I am surprised that so many followers did not know of it, given the WTBTS's frequent condemnation of the UN in its publications.

This may account for the witnesses' feelings of betrayal and sense of
hypocrisy over the whole affair. If it was not secret and was only done to obtain a library ticket,. why did you not tell me when I spoke to you several days before the article appeared? Surely you would have known it or could have found out very easily - most press officers are able to do so.

And why did the WTBTS decide to disaffiliate only two days after the article appeared, when the WTBTS "learned about a situation" which was anyway not secret? Any organisation which affiliates to another surely must know that it has to ascribe to its basic principles, so to pretend that acceptance of the UN charter's aims has been suddenly sprung on you is being disengenuous at best.

As far as I can tell from your letter there are no factual inaccuracies in my reports for you have not pointed to any that you did not have the opportunity to explain to me when we spoke. I don't think the letter will be published. But then what would I know - I'm only bird seed in your demonology!

Best wishes,

Stephen Bates

And here's a letter from the U.N. which shows that the reason they had, to become an NGO to DPI is bogus. Notice the highlight in red. The library-card excuse is a big lie.

excerpt"

UNITED NATIONS

1-3-02

Dear Ms. XX,

The procedure for a library pass is the following: the interested party needs to fill out an application form and supply a letter of recommendation in support of the research. If the needed material is not available in a UN depository library (the list of depository libraries is posted at: http://www.un.org/depts/dhl/deplib/countries /), the application is approved and sent to UN Security. UN Security checks the application and, if approval is granted, instructs the Pass Office to issue a library pass for the applicant.

The issuance of a library pass is independent of NGO status or any other status. There has been no change in the library pass policy in general; however, please be advised that, as a consequence of the September 11 attacks, no library passes are being issued for the time being while the security situation at the UN is being studied.

Best regards,
Dana Loytved

Senior Reference Librarian-UN/SA Reference Desk-United Nations Library, New York-E-mail: [email protected]

"end of excerpt

Andy

p.s. I'll try to find the links to the original articles. Help me out here.

hawkaw

If my memory serves me well (and it always never does) it was Stephen Bates who discovered the WT in bed with the beast.

Absolutely not. It was Kent who discovered this while searching the UN's site one day. Outstanding work when he used to run the watchtowerobserver.org. And with the help of MacH. and a few others (snicker) we blew it wide open. A very honourable gentlement who I have not talked to for a couple of years alerted Bates to the story and the rest was history with articles in the Guardian and the Tablet.

I my humble essay that was on Zev's site and is now at "Research of the Watchtower" http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/un.htm

The Gillies letter to Bates is here:

http://www.randytv.com/secret/gillies.jpg

And the newspaper articles are here:

http://watchtower.observer.org/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030801/NEWS2/110190004

http://www.thetablet.co.uk/cgi-bin/archive_db.cgi?tablet-00577

hawk

galaxy7

I down loaded what i could find about the org and the un

Last night i showed them to my husband,a still active witness

he read and reread them over and over again, he kept saying there must be a good reason

His JW mind would not let him accept what he was seeing.(amazing to see that in action)

After half an hour of staring at the computer screen he said "Its only a library card"

Thats when I saw red

I said We cant have a dam christmas tree because we have to "Get out of her my people"

But the ORG can go right to the wild beast for a library card.Give me a break are there no other libraries

blondie

It was a library card with certain written support to the UN goals.....how is that not being part of the world?

heathen

I can agree that they have received the mark of the beast via a library card . I did read what the requirements were for an NGO and agreeance with the UN charter is definately one of them . They have enough lawyers representing them so I don't know how they could possibly get away with ignorance . It is a bald faced lie .

avengers

Hey Hawk:

Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know it was Kent who discovered it.
More power to him. I do know that it was a top level piece of research .

No wonder they went after Kent's ass. I always wondered what the reason was.

It doesn't matter if I stand corrected, as long as the truth gets out there.

Again,,, Thanks.

Andy

imallgrowedup

Andy and Hawk -

Thanks for the great info! I thought I had most the smoking guns in my arsenal, but apparently I didn't! This is great stuff! Thanks for putting it together!!!

Hawk -

Be careful. The WTS DID NOT JOIN the UN. Only countries join.

Point accepted and well-taken!!!

growedup

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